Post subject: Re: 29 points deduction and an 8 year ban
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:03 pm
Chris Dalton
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tb wrote:No it's not. Scholars and Gateshead enjoyed exactly the same enlarged quota as Crusaders. ie a larger quota for teams in expansion areas where there's not (yet) the underlying player production infrastructure
So you've given me three (completely irrelevant) exceptions to the rule, but that doesn't change the fact that the majority are on one quota spot, or that this is a stupid diversion which is irrelevant to the issue of whether crusaders were cheating by playing quota players who were not eligable to work in this country.
ETA: I hasten to add neither Skolars nor Gateshead were even IN the championship that year or any year. Should we discuss Bartercard Cup quota places too?
Post subject: Re: 29 points deduction and an 8 year ban
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:21 pm
The Chronicler of Chiswic
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Chorlton RL wrote:Three Cumbrian, Gateshead, two Welsh, London, Oldham, Rochdale and Doncaster... How about that for a geographical spread!
At the moment it's only one Welsh club as, unless both I and the Crusaders' website have missed something, there's been no confirmation of Crusaders being admitted to CC1.
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Post subject: Re: 29 points deduction and an 8 year ban
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:22 pm
tb
In The Arms of 13 Angels
Joined: Mar 05 2002 Posts: 48326 Location: Londinium
Chris Dalton wrote:So you've given me three (completely irrelevant) exceptions to the rule, but that doesn't change the fact that the majority are on one quota spot,
But 'the majority are on one quota spot' isn't what you said. You said: "the rest of the league had only one quota spot." (and for the sake of argument, I assumed that when you said 'league' you meant the league, not simply one division of it
It may seem petty and pedantic - but when it comes to assessing claims that one club was cheating by playing more overseas players than any other club was allowed to, the fact that there were other clubs with the same quota is actually pretty important.
Post subject: Re: 29 points deduction and an 8 year ban
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:45 pm
Chorlton RL
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The Chronicler of Chiswic wrote:At the moment it's only one Welsh club as, unless both I and the Crusaders' website have missed something, there's been no confirmation of Crusaders being admitted to CC1.
Post subject: Re: 29 points deduction and an 8 year ban
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:51 pm
Chris Dalton
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Joined: Feb 23 2003 Posts: 28736 Location: Home of the Mighty Widnes Vikings
tb wrote:But 'the majority are on one quota spot' isn't what you said. You said: "the rest of the league had only one quota spot." (and for the sake of argument, I assumed that when you said 'league' you meant the league, not simply one division of it
It may seem petty and pedantic - but when it comes to assessing claims that one club was cheating by playing more overseas players than any other club was allowed to, the fact that there were other clubs with the same quota is actually pretty important.
It doesn't "seem" petty and pedantic. It is petty and pedantic.
When discussing "the league", we're discussing the one we're talking about, not every single one of them.
The claim was not about them cheating the quota (although why would they when they had such an exemption?), it was about playing none eligable players.
We can all speculate on whether they were cheating the cap by having super league quality players on their pay roll, inflating their crowds, whatever, that's speculation. We can however say with certainty that they cheated.
Post subject: Re: TOTALLY UNFAIR AND UNACCOUNTABLE
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:14 pm
tb
In The Arms of 13 Angels
Joined: Mar 05 2002 Posts: 48326 Location: Londinium
Gazwire wrote:....are the rl board when they have decided to punish Barrow so serverely in comparison to wigan's poultry points deduction for their salary cap breach which overtly saved them from relegation.
THERE NEED TO BE SOME SERIOUS QUESTIONS ASKED AND SOME ANSWERS GIVEN BECAUSE THIS STINKS!
Wigan breached the salary cap in 2006 and were docked 6 points in the 2007 comp. Barrow breached the cap in 2010 and were docked 6 2011 points in July this year.Exactly equal treatment (actually Barrow go off lighter their six points equals two matches, Wigan's equalled three matches.
Then Barrow "were found guilty of systemic breaches of operational rules over a four-year period following a lengthy investigation by the RFL's compliance department.
"In addition to breaching the salary cap, the club failed to record in player contracts all financial benefits or benefits in kind."
Which led to today's punishment.
Do you really think Wigan should have been docked 29 points and had a director barred from the game for eight years for not doing what Barrow have been found guilty of doing?
Post subject: Re: 29 points deduction and an 8 year ban
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:18 pm
tb
In The Arms of 13 Angels
Joined: Mar 05 2002 Posts: 48326 Location: Londinium
Chris Dalton wrote:When discussing "the league", we're discussing the one we're talking about
Indeed. The league which has two divisions
Chris Dalton wrote:The claim was not about them cheating the quota (although why would they when they had such an exemption?), it was about playing none eligable players.
Then why mention the quota? And in particular why mention the quota which applied to most, but not all, of the other clubs in the league?
Chris Dalton wrote:We can all speculate on whether they were cheating the cap by having super league quality players on their pay roll, inflating their crowds, whatever, that's speculation.
It is indeed. And unworthy of you to mention it.
Chris Dalton wrote: We can however say with certainty that they cheated.
Actually we can't. They were found guilty of no wrongdoing by the UKBA or the RFL.
Post subject: Re: 29 points deduction and an 8 year ban
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:52 pm
Bartholemew Smythe
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tb ...Are you sponsored by an anti- Narcolepsy druc company?
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