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Alice's Phallus wrote:French Catalonia (Les Catalans Dragons) has a catchment area of 370,000 -- bigger than the Calder United clubs' combined catchment area.
Spanish Catalonia (Barcelona RL) has a catchment area of over 6 million -- more than the entire M62 corridor!
What's London's catchment area? Is it big? You know where i'm heading with this don't you....................?
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Alice's Phallus wrote:Look, bottom line is that the stadium deficient clubs are weak either financially or in terms of followers. You would be surprised how people can adjust to mergers. They did it in Australia with Wests Tigers and St. George Illawarra (whose component clubs still retain separate junior clubs).
1) As you know, Castleford have a stadium which - although hardly 'state of the art' still draws positive comments from quite a lot of RL fans (see other thread). They also have a brand new one in the pipeline which will, in due course, be the envy of many. In what way, I therefore wonder, can they be considered 'stadium deficient'..?
2) Mergers might have worked in Australia, but as we well know Aussies are just wannabe Yanks. On the other hand we sir, are BRITISH! We have a whole heap of history, of tradition, of cultural heritage. If you examine mergers a little closer to home you'll quickly see that they would have (but for wonderful people like Mark Aston) completely wiped out expansion clubs in Gateshead and Sheffield. With that in mind, I'm rather surprised that a self-proclaimed advocate for these areas is actually in favour of them at all.
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littlerich wrote:What's London's catchment area? Is it big? You know where i'm heading with this don't you....................?
Yes, I do catch your drift.
But I expect the growth of rugby league in Spanish Catalonia, already under way, to provide us with clues as to how London ought to proceed. After all Spanish Catalonia, esp. Barcelona, like London, is football mad, is it not?
I think having two clubs in London will make it easier for both. Just as having the French Catalans compete with the Spanish Catalans, as well as with Toulouse, in local derbies. You cannot point to the "local derby" success of Hull FC vs Hull KR and then dismisss its relevance for London or Barcelona.
We can learn from the successes as well as the failures of others.
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Alice's Phallus wrote:Yes, I do catch your drift.
But I expect the growth of rugby league in Spanish Catalonia, already under way, to provide us with clues as to how London ought to proceed. After all Spanish Catalonia, esp. Barcelona, like London, is football mad, is it not?
We can learn from the successes as well as the failures of others.
one tip. if you want it to be a success stop referring to it as spanish catalonia. catalonia will do just fine
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Disco wrote:1) As you know, Castleford have a stadium which - although hardly 'state of the art' still draws positive comments from quite a lot of RL fans (see other thread). They also have a brand new one in the pipeline which will, in due course, be the envy of many. In what way, I therefore wonder, can they be considered 'stadium deficient'..?
totally agree. jungle kicks ar*e.
id much rather go there to watch a game than a brand spanking new state of the art stadium, its just not the same
(by the way im not 50, im 20 years old)
Joined: Apr 29 2004 Posts: 14082 Location: The Sunniest City in the World
Alice's Phallus wrote:[size=14]
[N.B. The fully renovated modern Gilbert Brutus stadium -- which will be a big cut above both the Leigh and Widnes stadia in terms of facilities and comfort -- will be packed out with 15,000 fans in 2013.]
are they getting rid of the big caged end and the dog poop? Hope not, it's what makes it so european!
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Joined: May 23 2005 Posts: 31335 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska
bluesox4evaaa wrote:totally agree. jungle kicks ar*e. id much rather go there to watch a game than a brand spanking new state of the art stadium, its just not the same (by the way im not 50, im 20 years old)
Joined: Feb 27 2002 Posts: 18072 Location: On the road
Disco wrote:You can say 'Calder' as many times as you like, but you know as well as I do there's no f**cker would ever go to watch them, especially as your ludicrous plan retains the existence of Castleford and Wakefield as seperate identities. Same is true for Mancherster United RL (and thanks for making me realise there's a potential name out there even sh*tter than Calder).
At least I suppose you'd end up with the expansion clubs drawing bigger crowds than a 'heartland' one (ie: a couple of thousand) which should give you enough to keep jizzing over for a couple more seasons.
Given that nobody watches either Swinton or Oldham not sure what his plans have to lose
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Joined: Aug 07 2007 Posts: 792 Location: Wood Green
JB Down Under wrote:are they getting rid of the big caged end and the dog poop? Hope not, it's what makes it so european!
The big caged end behind the posts where until now all the unruly visiting fans were put, will be the first to go. That is going to be torn down in a few weeks to make way for a great new stand which will house the offices of the club, hospitality facilities like modern dining rooms for all the moneyed sponsors in France and Spain who are eagerly waiting to benefit from their support, a new merchandise shop, and last but not least lots of covered and elevated seating for all the well behaved visiting fans. This new stand is supposed to be finished by the beginning of 2010, bringing the total ground capacity to 11,500.
After lots of careful consideration, it has been decided that the dog poop will be retained, to give the modern facility a traditional European flavour.
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Alice's Phallus wrote:After lots of careful consideration, it has been decided that the dog poop will be retained, to give the modern facility a traditional European flavour.
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