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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:01 pm 
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Saddened! wrote:It depends on how they use him. If they spot his robotic workload and herculean effort tbey will use him for 70 minutes a game and he'll do just as well as he does in SL.

If they reduce his game time it might increase his impact. It will be interesting to see how he goes, but he's clearly the best player from SL that has ever gone to the NRL. He's far better than either Burgess was or is and they've done well.


Not better than Ellis either, as good but not better.






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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:05 pm 
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Paul Gallen in the Four Nations final:
ran 141m
43 tackles
21 hit ups

Graham:
134m
19 hit ups
35 tackles

To put things into perspective:
peacock ran for 62m
ellis 64m
matt scott 46m

Hardly a bad game, was it?

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Jammer will go fine in the NRL,tough bugger who can take anything thrown at him,his team mates and coach will think he is a godsend IMO.

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cjhatesunion wrote:Jammer will go fine in the NRL,tough bugger who can take anything thrown at him,his team mates and coach will think he is a godsend IMO.


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Looking foward to see how he goes over there, I hope he does well. He has shown he can mix it with the best of Australia and NZ so im sure he can cut it in the NRL.

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I'm not that sure he'll cut it. Ok, he can tear it up against SL sides but the last few times I've watched him play against Wigan he's looked shattered. He starts well but the game seems to take it's toll quickly and he begins to look like a 36 year-old prop, not a 26 year-old. He runs in, gets clattered and takes an age to get to his feet - or as my Mrs puts it, "he gets up like an old, broken man".

If he goes back to the basic prop role and makes sure he rests and recuperates properly before the season starts he'll do ok. Even so, he'll need to lift his strength, speed and fitness to another level.

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I think thats more down to Saints overusing him (and Roby for that mattter) in each match and across the season. Sure each are more than good enough to play long minutes and rack up absurd stats in SL, and maybe that is a strength over others, but personally I don't see that as stable in the long run. Hopefully the NRL will use him more effectively - still as a workhorse but maybe not as a man carrying an entire pack. Either way he will play less there, as there are less games, and have forced rests in bye weeks - so with just that we will see a better Graham in internationals.

Of course it's silly to say he won't make it, he will easily be one of the best props there, providing he stays fit, because he's one of the best props anywhere.

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Cronus wrote:I'm not that sure he'll cut it. Ok, he can tear it up against SL sides but the last few times I've watched him play against Wigan he's looked shattered. He starts well but the game seems to take it's toll quickly and he begins to look like a 36 year-old prop, not a 26 year-old. He runs in, gets clattered and takes an age to get to his feet - or as my Mrs puts it, "he gets up like an old, broken man".

If he goes back to the basic prop role and makes sure he rests and recuperates properly before the season starts he'll do ok. Even so, he'll need to lift his strength, speed and fitness to another level.


I think you need to factor in that he has played with a back injury for the past 3 months, so a bit of recuperation and the fact he will not have to carry the pack like he did at Saints, he should go OK.






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Graham will go okay, I'm 50/50 on him. He's a strange player to evaluate because he can go by in a game without being noticed. He's what I'd call a stealth forward, in that you'll think he's had an ordinary game, no mistakes but nothing of note -- Then you see the stats and without fail he's the leading forward on the field for metres. He also has a good try rate and can put people through a gap. But he goes about it in a way that's unimpressive to the untrained eye.

In saying that I agree with some of the criticisms of him above. He seems, lately at least, incredibly slow. Outside of his handling and game knowledge he looks like any fat bloke from the pub running at the line at half-speed and lacking general explosiveness.

I think he'll go well in the NRL, but I'm not sure how well. If he is to succeed I think he'll need a settling in period, I could see him having an underwhelming first year, in relation to the very high standards expected of him.

Maybe some time down under is just what he needs.

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He'll be fine. The Aussies understand RL unlike many in the British game who still seem to think people who look flash are the best. Australia ran away with the 4N final when he was off the field. Won't make the impact Morley did IMO but should show up as well / better than Ellis.

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