I dont think a club needs good crowds to be financially viable. They need good crowds if they want to be financially well off

its all about winning as me being a giants fan can testify, we we were first in sl and losing every week for years our crowds were on a par with celtics now look at them currently averaging over 9000, so give it time.

Gateshead went bust (well taken over) after a season of higher crowds than this, so what crowds the club gets 10 years down the line is irrelevent. Also first season crowds tend to be higher, not lower, than clubs eventually get. London Broncos got high crowds when they started SL and now Quins crowds are only getting worse, and over 12 years of SL there certainly hasn't seen any improvement, so why should it at Crusaders. If the club start to win then things will change, but can't see that happening any time soon

Well you need good crowds or a rich backer ultimately. Crusaders seem to have the latter at the moment

I dont remember catalan getting below 4000 in thier first year but someone mite have the stats to prove me wrong.

"Tend"? You whinge on as if we had been introducing new clubs by the dozen for centuries, and there were statistical conclusions to be drawn.

"Why should?" - Better ask on what basis what happens in London would have any relevance to what happens in South Wales. Or for that matter the south of France.

I don't care what you "can't see happening any time soon". Whatever team is at the bottom of the table is likely to be getting the smaller crowds, it's life.

If you think 2857 is an exciting crowd for a brand new club when the novelty value is still there and if you think it's a viable crowd to run a SL club on then that's your view, but I judge all clubs by the same standard as expansion clubs are more likely to fold, not less, if things don't go to plan. It is clear that the higher crowds from the novelty value have dropped off due to the team losing every game.

And yes what happened in France isn't relevent as people actually want to watch Catalans and the club are actually good enough to win games in SL. As for London they actually started well, but noone wants to watch now they're Harlequins, but they certainly wouldn't have got a crowd this low in their first season. Either way the assumption that crowds in expansion areas go up over time is totally baseless and the limited information we have if anything suggests the opposite

depends how many are paying to get in at Brewery Field, Gateshead had a lot of freebies.

I think 8,007 at Warrington, 5,521 at Wakefield (against Wigan no less) and 4,165 at Salford should be a bit more of a concern than the attendance at Celtic.

All 3 of the above clubs have been around over 100 years, compared with the 3 years of Celtic, who started with no kind of history whatsoever.

those were the days wrote:I dont remember catalan getting below 4000 in thier first year but someone mite have the stats to prove me wrong. first year stats for the froggies 6,542 average year 1.

those were the days wrote:I dont remember catalan getting below 4000 in thier first year but someone mite have the stats to prove me wrong. first year stats for the froggies 6,542 average year 1.