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SmokeyTA wrote:well i would look at the clubs in C1 and the championship and look at what proportion of their squad was made up of players from the heartlands but not from their academies. For instance, if we look at Leigh from last season they had 11 players who had come through local SL clubs academies, or 44% of their playing squad. The Championship Salary cap is £300k, So we know that Leigh (if, for ease, we use them as the average) spend roughly £132k or an average of £12k on these players. If Northampton were to have an equal chance of competing for these players, they would (IMO) need to be paying them at least £18k, for them to even think about leaving their home towns and dragging their families across country. This would mean that as an allowance for distance, Northampton would receive a £66k or 22% increase in Salary Cap at Championship level. If they were to do this, it would still mean however, that they needed to find 14, part-time local based players to fill out a 25 man squad, which would clearly be an outstanding acheivement for an expansion side in their first few years of existance.anywhere.
That is half decent attempt at putting together a level playing field for new clubs , but it is still completely subjective and open to abuse , which club do you use to set the level ?, which year do you do it ?, because the number of ex SL players changes all the time , and all the numbers are arbitray at best
Maybe HKR should have had 5 years extra quota and SC allowance to get them up to SL speed , but you haven't argued their case have you ?
No matter what formula you devise it will favour some clubs and discriminate against others , it isn't possible to balance it out
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SmokeyTA wrote:Your deliberate confusion is boring. You see had you actually read the conversation between myself and rupert bear instead of jumping in with both feet, trying to score points, you wouldnt look like such a silly old man.
Lets take it in baby steps for you Lets put an end to it before your deliberate confusion to hide your idiocy derails another thread.
I didnt suggest there was a better way, didnt suggest i knew of a better way, didnt suggest i expected red hall to go and find a better way, simply refuted a direct statement saying I would only be in favour of SC changes which benefited expansion sides by saying i would also be in favour of changes which which made the SC work better for heartland sides.
So saying " If the SC rules were re jigged " isnt suggesting a better way ?
So you are talking broken biscuits then ? , fair enough
kcab sfrawdder
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SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!
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Dico wrote:and that's the end of that one..
Outstanding contribution to the debate from your good self once again , you should be so proud
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Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!
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SmokeyTA wrote:Not in SL they didnt, they didnt even spend close to the SL Salary Cap yet went bust. The salary Cap doesnt stop clubs going bust. Wakefield had many many problems, all of which were predictable, and Widnes spent more than they had to try and gain promotion, but did it in an SC era.
I dont disagree, if they dont have it, they dont spend it. If they do have it, they can spend it. If Northampton cant afford to spend £366k (the Championship Salary cap plus an allowance) they shouldnt spend it, if they cant afford to spend £300k (the championship Salary Cap) they shouldnt spend it.
Quite correct , it was in the NL's they overspent their salary cap , then again it was RFL money they were spending , so maybe that doesn't count
kcab sfrawdder
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Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!
Would it be ok for Northampton to play to the same salary cap as everyone else, then have players travel/living expenses (up to a certain amount) excluded from their overall balance?
This could be for the first 3 seasons to help get them running, then get them on the same cap as everyone else.
Let them start on the same playing field as everyone else. Northampton will be in the same boat as three other teams, so in effect thats 6 competitive games to start off with.
Plus Skolars, Gateshead and the Scorpions don't get players travel/living exemptions.
What has RLFANS done to me? I'm arguing with myself!
Wheels wrote:Would it be ok for Northampton to play to the same salary cap as everyone else, then have players travel/living expenses (up to a certain amount) excluded from their overall balance?
This could be for the first 3 seasons to help get them running, then get them on the same cap as everyone else.
SWS,Crusaders, Gateshead,Skolers,Northampton plus 3 other new clubs,why is it even entering peoples minds to show favouritism to these clubs.
The C1 expansion clubs will get the same central funding, and be on the same salary cap, as everyone else. All clubs will get the same free travel for away games over a certain distance, but obviously the remote clubs will get travel paid every away match, when the traditional neighbour clubs might only get that for games in London, Northampton, South Wales, maybe Gateshead or Cumbria. Oldham will have to make their own way to Rochdale, but it won't cost to go to, say, Hemel. Employment law regarding overseas players minimum wage is the same for everyone.
The biggest challenge is finding a squad without being able to pay players to relocate. Swinton can always grab a player from St Pats or Miners and know they will be of a standard. The south has lots of talented players capable of playing at C1, but they are, mostly, in semi-pro union. There are local league players, students, servicemen, and juniors cing through, but it will take time and organisation. Hence a division of 4 new clubs, 2 welsh clubs, Skolars, thunder, plus 2 more, will be broadly competitive, as so many teams are in a similar position. The top amateur teams might beat them in the cup, but do we want a second pro club in Leigh, Warrington or Wigan. Give it time, and the expansion clubs will bring new talent and new money into the game.
Wheels wrote:What has RLFANS done to me? I'm arguing with myself!
If it's good enough for Starbore and SmokeyTA, it must be good enough for you; I'm sure at one point in the thread, the former made at least 5 consecutive posts in reply to himself. Bonkers!
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