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 Post subject: Re: A New Saints in RL?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:36 pm 
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rupert bear wrote:Regardless of what the salary cap is clubs should only spend what they can afford.
However i don't see how we can have different rules for different teams. My club for example, Doncaster, is not in the heartlands or on the doorstep of a SL club, but also is not an expansion area. so where do we fit in?

Doncaster, whilst not a heartland side, is comfortably in commuting distance for a huge part of the heartland player pool. Northampton isnt.






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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:51 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: A New Saints in RL?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:49 pm 
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SmokeyTA wrote:Doncaster, whilst not a heartland side, is comfortably in commuting distance for a huge part of the heartland player pool. Northampton isnt.


At Doncaster players only get paid if they play. They are not selected if they do not fully commit to training.
Much of our training is at Lindholme which is not in central Doncaster.
I work in Leeds and a couple of my colleagues are from Cas/Wakey and have told me on more than one occasion of personal friends who were offered a deal with the Dons but turned them down because after their travelling expenses for training would be virtually playing for nothing.
We are not an expansion team though so it's ok.

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 Post subject: Re: A New Saints in RL?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:01 pm 
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rupert bear wrote:At Doncaster players only get paid if they play. They are not selected if they do not fully commit to training.
Much of our training is at Lindholme which is not in central Doncaster.
I work in Leeds and a couple of my colleagues are from Cas/Wakey and have told me on more than one occasion of personal friends who were offered a deal with the Dons but turned them down because after their travelling expenses for training would be virtually playing for nothing.
We are not an expansion team though so it's ok.

Is it the salary cap which is preventing Doncaster paying any more in Wages? If so then its clear the SC is set at the wrong level. If not then your point isnt relevant.






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 Post subject: Re: A New Saints in RL?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:16 pm 
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SmokeyTA wrote:Is it the salary cap which is preventing Doncaster paying any more in Wages? If so then its clear the SC is set at the wrong level. If not then your point isnt relevant.


Regardless of what the cap is we can only pay what we can afford in order to stay in the black. What i am saying is that although not in an expansion area we still struggle with attracting players from any distance.

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 Post subject: Re: A New Saints in RL?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:21 pm 
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rupert bear wrote:Regardless of what the cap is we can only pay what we can afford in order to stay in the black. What i am saying is that although not in an expansion area we still struggle with attracting players from any distance.
But thats because you dont have any money. Im not advocating giving Northampton extra money, simply allowing them to spend a bit more, if they have it, to balance out the additional cost to players should they sign for Northampton above other, heartland clubs.






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 Post subject: Re: A New Saints in RL?
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SmokeyTA wrote:But thats because you dont have any money. Im not advocating giving Northampton extra money, simply allowing them to spend a bit more, if they have it, to balance out the additional cost to players should they sign for Northampton above other, heartland clubs.


Do you really think that is fair?

I admit i do not know the details of what we are, or are not spending at Donny in relation to the cap, we only spend an affordable amount. But i know we are only allowed to spend the same as Rochdale or Oldham for example who have a bigger pool of players to pick from in their locality

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 Post subject: Re: A New Saints in RL?
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rupert bear wrote:Do you really think that is fair?

I admit i do not know the details of what we are, or are not spending at Donny in relation to the cap, we only spend an affordable amount. But i know we are only allowed to spend the same as Rochdale or Oldham for example who have a bigger pool of players to pick from in their locality

Either what you are spending is limited by the SC, or it is limited by your own finances. Its one or the other.






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 Post subject: Re: A New Saints in RL?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:33 pm 
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Hedgehog King wrote:Oh it is. It was entirely predictable that they would collapse in SL as they didn't have anything like the revenue streams to compete and their owner had a track record of "doing a runner" when things got expensive.

Remind me which crook pulled out of Wakefield and left them in the mire. Nobody says that they are a well run club but what happened there was quite different from Crusaders (3 bankrupcies / administrations in 3 years ffs). Nor were Wakefield lent £700k that the RFL will never see again.
So you agree that their failure was due to the owner and not any of the points raised in the OP.

I wasn't suggesting that it was exactly the same situation at Wakefield, my point was that the same would happen to any club if the backer pulled out. If Davy pulled out of Huddersfield, O'Connor pulled out of Widnes etc they would go the same way as the Crusaders did, virtually no clubs are self-sustainable and so to expect that Celtic Crusaders should have been before they were allowed entry isn't really fair. Maybe the RFL should have been more dilligent regarding Samuel, but there was no way they could have known that he would do what he did, at the time it appeared that he was completely committed to the club. And if he had remained committed, I'm pretty sure Celtic Crusaders would be a relatively strong SL club today. The same goes for the club when they were based in Wrexham.






King Street Cat wrote:Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:28 pm 
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SmokeyTA wrote:Personally I would look at giving the 5 or 6 players who had SL experience and were at the upper end of the quality scale, players who could combine a playing position with coaching and community development roles.


So if they then finish in the top 2/3 , has your subjective ' allowance been fair ? , or if they finish in the bottom 2/3 , have you been unfair ?

So you are advocating the RFL funding players wages for selective clubs , as they did for the Celtic Crusaders






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