Post subject: Re: England 19-Man Squad for the Quarter Final Against PNG
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:06 pm
Jason65
First Team Player
Joined: Aug 14 2020 Posts: 1373
Saddened! wrote:Chris Hill has not been 'immense', not even close. Maybe slightly less useless than he was at Warrington, but he's not a top level forward. Burgess and Lees should start and Thompson and Oledzski from the bench. Far more dynamic, far more impact.
Lees is not good enough,certainly not as good as Hill,Burgess,Thompson,Oledzski.
Post subject: Re: England 19-Man Squad for the Quarter Final Against PNG
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 9:12 am
NSW
Player Coach
Joined: Aug 28 2006 Posts: 4045
Saddened! wrote:More Wane weirdness. Still picking McIllorum simply because he's his mate. No Luke Thompson but wasters like Hill and Cooper in there? Got to presume he's injured. Good to see Dom Young has been preferred to Ryan Hall. Bateman another who continues to ride the Wigan train into unwarranted international selection, but he's not a glaring weakness like Mickey Mac...
Agree on Cooper and too an extent Bateman.
However I thought McIlorum justified his selection in the opening game. He was dominate and ferocious against the likes of Paulo etc.
I don’t think he can do 80 at that intensity though, maybe Knowles will jump in a 9 for a bit
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Post subject: Re: England 19-Man Squad for the Quarter Final Against PNG
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:40 am
Phuzzy
Player Coach
Joined: Nov 19 2006 Posts: 5504
Saddened! wrote:Chris Hill has not been 'immense', not even close. Maybe slightly less useless than he was at Warrington, but he's not a top level forward. Burgess and Lees should start and Thompson and Oledzski from the bench. Far more dynamic, far more impact.
Please explain what Lees has done that Hill hasn't done better...apart from wear a Saints shirt of course!
Post subject: Re: England 19-Man Squad for the Quarter Final Against PNG
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:00 pm
Judder Man
Player Coach
Joined: Oct 29 2007 Posts: 6767 Location: Now in Enemy Country
Phuzzy wrote:Please explain what Lees has done that Hill hasn't done better...apart from wear a Saints shirt of course!
Lots of pressure and energy can play for long minutes, terrific line speed around the ruck. In otherwards a fast mobile prop who gets into your face consistently.
The only stand out selection questionable is Pearce-Paul, sooner have Farnworth starting.
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Post subject: Re: England 19-Man Squad for the Quarter Final Against PNG
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:05 pm
Judder Man
Player Coach
Joined: Oct 29 2007 Posts: 6767 Location: Now in Enemy Country
NSW wrote:Agree on Cooper and too an extent Bateman.
However I thought McIlorum justified his selection in the opening game. He was dominate and ferocious against the likes of Paulo etc.
I don’t think he can do 80 at that intensity though, maybe Knowles will jump in a 9 for a bit
Radley played 9 for a spell and Knowles came on at 13 in the first group game. That was pretty effective so I think Wane will go with that option if needed.
The new young dynasty of super saints is coming to a ground near you. Welsby-Dodd-Simms-Eaves-Rizzelli, not Eastmond...the future is coming.
Post subject: Re: England 19-Man Squad for the Quarter Final Against PNG
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:14 pm
Hopie
International Chairman
Joined: Feb 27 2002 Posts: 5442 Location: Aberdeen
Can't see selections making a big difference to the result today, but I'd be concerned seeing this 17 playing in a semi final.
“You are playing a game of football this afternoon but more than that you are playing for England, and more even than that, you are playing for right versus wrong. You will win because you have to win. Don’t forget that message from home. England expects every one of you to do his duty.”
Post subject: Re: England 19-Man Squad for the Quarter Final Against PNG
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:31 pm
Hopie
International Chairman
Joined: Feb 27 2002 Posts: 5442 Location: Aberdeen
England looked good for half an hour, and PNG collapsed. Last 10 minutes were a bit of a muddle.
Hoping England can put in that second half performance now, play smart, don't force the attack, and keep it tight in defence, PNG nil should be the target.
“You are playing a game of football this afternoon but more than that you are playing for England, and more even than that, you are playing for right versus wrong. You will win because you have to win. Don’t forget that message from home. England expects every one of you to do his duty.”
Jason65 wrote:Lees is not good enough,certainly not as good as Hill,Burgess,Thompson,Oledzski.
He's better than Hill. His line speed and relentlessness in defense is outstanding. He's been brilliant for Saints for two years now. We've been told we're only winning the title every year because Walmsley is so good. But we've had two long injuries to Walmsley now and we don't drop at all. Lees has been incredible. Hill is putting a lot of effort in, he's doing okay, but there's no power in his carries or his tackles, he's just working hard.
NSW wrote:Agree on Cooper and too an extent Bateman.
However I thought McIlorum justified his selection in the opening game. He was dominate and ferocious against the likes of Paulo etc.
I don’t think he can do 80 at that intensity though, maybe Knowles will jump in a 9 for a bit
Maybe I've been spoiled with the hookers I've been watching for the last 20 years, but he's useless. He's slow to the ptb, his distribution is slow and laboured and whilst he's agressive in defense, he's gassed after about half an hour. If he wasn't a former Wigan player, he wouldn't have been considered.
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