Post subject: Re: Toronto and our chances of SL invite
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:53 pm
Dunkirk Spirit
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Joined: Jan 10 2019 Posts: 2794 Location: Horbury, a small town in Wakefield
Bulls4 wrote:A big IF But IF it was us to be the 12th team in super league, I hope everyone remembers it’s the RFl / SL / chairmen of their own teams that will have made the decision rather than us Bradford fans when they are looking for someone to vent at how ridiculous it is.
I think you need to check Who is on the selection panel. There are no Representations from any club be it SL, Championship or league one. the panel is made up of. Lord Jonathan Caine. Chris Anderson. SLE General Counciland company Secretary Dave Rotherham. RFL Chief on field officer. Graham Odin. SLE head of finance. Karen Moorhouse RFL. Chief Regulatory officer, RFL Director and Company Secretary. Tony Sutton RFL Chief Operating Officer Rhodium Jones SLE Chief Operating Commercial Officer.
You know now no blame on any club management. But then again, there is a former Head of the RFL, with a financial interest in BBs, who might try bending a few ears.
Post subject: Re: Toronto and our chances of SL invite
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:24 pm
M@islebugs
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Joined: May 09 2011 Posts: 1934
Dunkirk Spirit wrote:I think you need to check Who is on the selection panel. There are no Representations from any club be it SL, Championship or league one. the panel is made up of. Lord Jonathan Caine. Chris Anderson. SLE General Counciland company Secretary Dave Rotherham. RFL Chief on field officer. Graham Odin. SLE head of finance. Karen Moorhouse RFL. Chief Regulatory officer, RFL Director and Company Secretary. Tony Sutton RFL Chief Operating Officer Rhodium Jones SLE Chief Operating Commercial Officer.
You know now no blame on any club management. But then again, there is a former Head of the RFL, with a financial interest in BBs, who might try bending a few ears.
Thanks Dunkirk, that's a really useful intervention.
Post subject: Re: Toronto and our chances of SL invite
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:25 pm
Bulls4
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Joined: Jan 20 2012 Posts: 932 Location: 7th
Dunkirk Spirit wrote:I think you need to check Who is on the selection panel. There are no Representations from any club be it SL, Championship or league one. the panel is made up of. Lord Jonathan Caine. Chris Anderson. SLE General Counciland company Secretary Dave Rotherham. RFL Chief on field officer. Graham Odin. SLE head of finance. Karen Moorhouse RFL. Chief Regulatory officer, RFL Director and Company Secretary. Tony Sutton RFL Chief Operating Officer Rhodium Jones SLE Chief Operating Commercial Officer.
You know now no blame on any club management. But then again, there is a former Head of the RFL, with a financial interest in BBs, who might try bending a few ears.
Whilst I technically agree, do you honestly think the existing teams in SL will have no input?
Post subject: Re: Toronto and our chances of SL invite
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:59 pm
Bullseye
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Joined: Dec 22 2001 Posts: 32124 Location: The Corridor of Uncertainty
Of course there will be a significant amount of lobbying going on, and the existing SL clubs will no doubt be having a lot to say to the people making the final decision. This isn't a decision that will be taken in isolation either and there will be lots of other ways in which pressure is brought to bear.
The Bradford Bulls is the vehicle of Nigel Wood, no doubt about it. I'm sure if he can get the club into SL he will be doing his utmost. That £1m won't spend itself. Whether it would get spent on the Bulls is another matter. Certainly it wouldn't scratch the surface of what's needed to do Odsal up.
If the Bulls did get the nod they'd need to get the ground fixed up to a bare minimum level (certainly not cheap as it's been left to rot for 8 years). Then they'd need to recruit some players to have even the remotest chance of staying up - and most of the better players will be under contract by then.
That first season in SL in 2021 would most likely be as cannon fodder - rather like 2017 in the championship when we were told to stay up and we played kids that got battered. Certs for relegation and probable administration again.
No thanks.
"If you start listening to the fans it won't be long before you're sitting with them," - Wayne Bennett.
Post subject: Re: Toronto and our chances of SL invite
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:34 pm
Pumpetypump
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Joined: Jan 02 2002 Posts: 8116 Location: LS9
Hypothetically, could you imagine a scenario where we are encouraged to apply and to accept reduced funding, because we've been given the nod and wink that at the end of 2021 SL becomes a closed shop again. It's only with some sort of back-office dealings that elevating us to the top-flight makes any logistical sense.
Then ask yourself would you be willing to be a one season cannon-fodder and the hatred from some opposition fans, if it lead to an improved Odsal and a preserved spot in SL.
Post subject: Re: Toronto and our chances of SL invite
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:58 pm
Bullseye
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Joined: Dec 22 2001 Posts: 32124 Location: The Corridor of Uncertainty
Pumpetypump wrote:Hypothetically, could you imagine a scenario where we are encouraged to apply and to accept reduced funding, because we've been given the nod and wink that at the end of 2021 SL becomes a closed shop again. It's only with some sort of back-office dealings that elevating us to the top-flight makes any logistical sense.
Then ask yourself would you be willing to be a one season cannon-fodder and the hatred from some opposition fans, if it lead to an improved Odsal and a preserved spot in SL.
Pumps it's all just re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. The sport is on its knees.
To plumb the Titanic metaphor a bit more us getting into SL next year is like moving to the stern of the ship and leaving the championship clubs at the rapidly sinking bow.
Meanwhile a few decent players hop on lifeboats to the NRL.
"If you start listening to the fans it won't be long before you're sitting with them," - Wayne Bennett.
Post subject: Re: Toronto and our chances of SL invite
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:59 pm
Bulls4
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Joined: Jan 20 2012 Posts: 932 Location: 7th
Dunkirk Spirit wrote:No more input than Nigel Wood, I would guess
Of course Nigel will be using his contacts to his advantage. Why wouldn’t he? Whether it’s the right decision is another question and I’ve said plenty of times I would prefer Bradford to not get the nod.
But if you think the SL chairman will be sat on their hands waiting for the news like the rest of us, you are very naive. They will be attempting to influence who gets the spot. They might not all agree on the chosen team, but they will be putting their two cents in.
Post subject: Re: Toronto and our chances of SL invite
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:58 am
thepimp007
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Joined: Dec 15 2010 Posts: 1977
Well having been away from the forum most of lockdown I thought I would have a venture on and see whats being said. I am in total agreeance with everything said. I want us nowhere near, the last reason why is the fallout from other clubs! As has been said we are nowhere near ready.
With regards the money, Pumpetypump is the only one I have seen mention after 2021, surely a club applying such as ourselves who for me will be on the brink, should be asking what is in liklihood going to happen in 2022. Can only see Beaumont being daft enough to expect to finish 11th or higher by throwing obscene money at yet more washed up aussies.
If we get in this for me stems right back to Davod Thorn having his bid rejected as there would be an underhand way coming up we would get in despite having owners who would shaft us yet again, it does seem everything has played out for Wood to enventually be in charge.
For me this is the last thing on earth we need. I mean for god sake we are signing aged players like brough (could be shrewd only time will tell not disrespecting brough there) and letting young props like Kirk who has been developing very very well go! We still have people at the club for me making wrong decisions now. God help us if we are chosen. For what its worth for me it should be London. 70% of their squad homegrown, a dedicated owner guaranted to make sure thye are ok if needed, only thing lacking is fanbase
Post subject: Re: Toronto and our chances of SL invite
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:34 am
M@islebugs
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Joined: May 09 2011 Posts: 1934
thepimp007 wrote:Well having been away from the forum most of lockdown I thought I would have a venture on and see whats being said. I am in total agreeance with everything said. I want us nowhere near, the last reason why is the fallout from other clubs! As has been said we are nowhere near ready.
With regards the money, Pumpetypump is the only one I have seen mention after 2021, surely a club applying such as ourselves who for me will be on the brink, should be asking what is in liklihood going to happen in 2022. Can only see Beaumont being daft enough to expect to finish 11th or higher by throwing obscene money at yet more washed up aussies.
If we get in this for me stems right back to Davod Thorn having his bid rejected as there would be an underhand way coming up we would get in despite having owners who would shaft us yet again, it does seem everything has played out for Wood to enventually be in charge.
For me this is the last thing on earth we need. I mean for god sake we are signing aged players like brough (could be shrewd only time will tell not disrespecting brough there) and letting young props like Kirk who has been developing very very well go! We still have people at the club for me making wrong decisions now. God help us if we are chosen. For what its worth for me it should be London. 70% of their squad homegrown, a dedicated owner guaranteed to make sure thye are ok if needed, only thing lacking is fanbase
Hard to disagree with most of this. I actually think we're improving and was looking forward to a cracking campaign against some strong Championship teams. I really fancy us to create a buzz for the first time in many years, possibly bringing fans and interest back to the club. The club that gets chosen finds out mid December and must create a SL squad by March, including a pre-season. It's not just a bad idea for us, it's a bad idea for any club. I want to see Scurr and Gallagher and Doyle, Hallas, Nzoungou serve it up to Fev and Leigh. I don't want to watch Olbison and Lussick (no disrespect) come off second best at Huddersfield.
If Wood's behind this at least he could come out and explain why this isn't going to be soul crushing fiasco.
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