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Once were Loiners wrote:The sport as a whole is in far better shape in some ways than the 80s/90s. Crowds, profile etc were a joke through the 60s and 70s and the early 80s, and if we're honest, the standard of play was often laughably bad compared to today, even if entertaining to watch. Our crowds didn't really peak until the Murray era and early 2000s. Personally I think the game has become less entertaining, but in terms of physicality and technical ability players are a long way ahead of where they were even 20 years ago.

There's also a clear tendency to link your own club's performance to the game as a whole. I doubt KR fans think now is the worst time ever, or Salford, or Leigh. Lots of people on here talk about 2005 as the golden season in terms of performances. Yet we AVERAGED 40 points a game across the whole season and topped 50 points ten times. That should tell you everything you need to know about the quality in the rest of the competition. It sucked. Leeds fans loved it, but the gap between top and middle was enormous, let alone bottom.

SL has let itself become too small no doubt to keep the cash among fewer clubs. That's led to loop fixtures and other nonsense, and the league itself would be better with 14 teams, but I'm not sure the talent exists to open it up. Although history suggests people don't mind watching their team put big scores on rubbish teams every now and then.

I do think the game needs to find a way forward that lets it grow in a sustainable way. But frankly old timers (I've been around 40 years plus) whinging should be the last people anyone listens to.

Author:	ploinerrhino [ Sat Sep 14, 2024 6:33 am ]
Post subject:	Staying or Not
Well all four of us are giving up season tickets and i am sure many more will . Reasons 1. We are Garbage 2. Cant get to Saturday games , thanks i.m.g and Sky It has been a near 10 year demise at the club overseen by G.H , nice stadium Gary but no atmosphere (admittedly not helped by the dross served up ) . No incentive to get there early for a pint as the liquid and service is crap . Recruitment Junior development Coaching team spirit all the above is shocking I will still go occasionally if i think there might be a decent game or meeting up with a mate Not a Jonny come lately as i have been going since being a kid in the 60s and have seen similar although even in the eighties and early nineties we were entertaining at least . Who have we got that are any good Croft and Handley that are left now Martin has gone Don't get me started on i.m.g , everything they have done which is not much i could have done and the R.L is paying them a fortune that they do not have . Ditching promo and relegation is a disaster as Hull have shown and will eventually kill the game as it gives no incentive to clubs outside Super League and will therefore reduce the playing pool .

Author:	christopher [ Sat Sep 14, 2024 9:15 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Staying or Not
Probably for the best you don’t enjoy it anymore. Not sure what IMG has to do with the scheduling of games though.

Author:	Shabino [ Sat Sep 14, 2024 6:22 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Staying or Not
‘Oh won’t you stay, just a little bit longer……’

Author:	Rixy [ Sat Sep 14, 2024 11:42 pm ]
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Clickbait title - but it has managed to get you the attention you obviously crave. Wow, so you're giving up your season ticket, will it affect me?, not a jot. Do I care?, again not a jot. Will anyone beg you to reconsider? I highly doubt it. Your post, like this reply is pretty senseless really, but have fun in whatever you choose to do with your time whilst not watching the Rhinos next season.

Author:	Once were Loiners [ Sun Sep 15, 2024 12:50 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Staying or Not
The sport as a whole is in far better shape in some ways than the 80s/90s. Crowds, profile etc were a joke through the 60s and 70s and the early 80s, and if we're honest, the standard of play was often laughably bad compared to today, even if entertaining to watch. Our crowds didn't really peak until the Murray era and early 2000s. Personally I think the game has become less entertaining, but in terms of physicality and technical ability players are a long way ahead of where they were even 20 years ago. There's also a clear tendency to link your own club's performance to the game as a whole. I doubt KR fans think now is the worst time ever, or Salford, or Leigh. Lots of people on here talk about 2005 as the golden season in terms of performances. Yet we AVERAGED 40 points a game across the whole season and topped 50 points ten times. That should tell you everything you need to know about the quality in the rest of the competition. It sucked. Leeds fans loved it, but the gap between top and middle was enormous, let alone bottom. SL has let itself become too small no doubt to keep the cash among fewer clubs. That's led to loop fixtures and other nonsense, and the league itself would be better with 14 teams, but I'm not sure the talent exists to open it up. Although history suggests people don't mind watching their team put big scores on rubbish teams every now and then. I do think the game needs to find a way forward that lets it grow in a sustainable way. But frankly old timers (I've been around 40 years plus) whinging should be the last people anyone listens to.

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Author:	DMF [ Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:04 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Staying or Not
The game will never, ever change. You either accept that and keep attending games or you quit and don't attend games anymore. RL will never change, it's a conversation I'm sure we've all had throughout our lives, how amateur this sport is. And has anything really changed? Barely anything at all. Accept it or move on. Your post is very similar to being in a pub and a complete stranger you've never met tapping you on the shoulder to tell you they're leaving.

Author:	ArthurClues [ Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:38 am ]
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Once were Loiners wrote:The sport as a whole is in far better shape in some ways than the 80s/90s. Crowds, profile etc were a joke through the 60s and 70s and the early 80s, and if we're honest, the standard of play was often laughably bad compared to today, even if entertaining to watch. Our crowds didn't really peak until the Murray era and early 2000s. Personally I think the game has become less entertaining, but in terms of physicality and technical ability players are a long way ahead of where they were even 20 years ago. There's also a clear tendency to link your own club's performance to the game as a whole. I doubt KR fans think now is the worst time ever, or Salford, or Leigh. Lots of people on here talk about 2005 as the golden season in terms of performances. Yet we AVERAGED 40 points a game across the whole season and topped 50 points ten times. That should tell you everything you need to know about the quality in the rest of the competition. It sucked. Leeds fans loved it, but the gap between top and middle was enormous, let alone bottom. SL has let itself become too small no doubt to keep the cash among fewer clubs. That's led to loop fixtures and other nonsense, and the league itself would be better with 14 teams, but I'm not sure the talent exists to open it up. Although history suggests people don't mind watching their team put big scores on rubbish teams every now and then. I do think the game needs to find a way forward that lets it grow in a sustainable way. But frankly old timers (I've been around 40 years plus) whinging should be the last people anyone listens to. Yep. League games are far better attended in the modern era, and attendances have also stood up against blanket TV coverage this year. The big exception is the crowds generated for challenge cup games in the 80's. Remember being at HQ with over 24k in for a 3rd round tie against Widnes ( we were well beaten) and also travelling to Central Park with (if memory serves) with 25k in. Again, we were well beaten.

Author:	ploinerrhino [ Sun Sep 15, 2024 12:45 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Staying or Not
Shabino wrote:‘Oh won’t you stay, just a little bit longer……’ Thanks Shabino , i knew someone would ask me to stay But maybe i will just listen to commentary on the Radio like you !

Author:	ploinerrhino [ Sun Sep 15, 2024 1:21 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Staying or Not
christopher wrote:Probably for the best you don’t enjoy it anymore. Not sure what IMG has to do with the scheduling of games though. Not sure many people are enjoying it anymore , hence the reason why very few Leeds Fans travel away now . Correct me if i am wrong but i thought IMG were the people who negotiated the T.V deal

Author:	ploinerrhino [ Sun Sep 15, 2024 1:33 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Staying or Not
Rixy wrote:Clickbait title - but it has managed to get you the attention you obviously crave. Wow, so you're giving up your season ticket, will it affect me?, not a jot. Do I care?, again not a jot. Will anyone beg you to reconsider? I highly doubt it. Your post, like this reply is pretty senseless really, but have fun in whatever you choose to do with your time whilst not watching the Rhinos next season. You seem to miss the point , which is , if i am feeling this way how many more Leeds Supporters feel the same ? I know of quite a few who are giving up their tickets , i did not think my post was senseless but you say that yours is which makes me wonder why you bothered .

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