Edited this now for Alex Sutcliffe. I hope not but can see it happening. Unless one of JJB, Delaney, Ferres, Ablett, Ward leave.

Yeah.

And what about L Sutcliffe. You've replaced his 14 shirt with Dwyer. Does this mean you think he is deff leaving now?

I would personally like to see him renew his contact and stay with us. He has very good utility value and would make my 17 most weeks.

Really? Over who?

Golding; Briscoe Watkins Keinhorst Hall; Moon Myler; Garbutt Parcell Cuthbertson; JJB Ablett; Ward. Dwyer Galloway Singleton Ferres.

Then you have Delaney, Mullally, Baldwinson, Ormondroyd, Oledzki, Lilley, Smith fighting for places.

My point being it is rare you go a season without many injuries and as sutcliffe can play full back, centre, stand off, loose forward and second row all to a high standard He would probably be in my 17 most weeks. Plus it offers competition for places. In my opinion sutcliffe is no worse than Golding or keinhorst in their respective positions and would push them to improve.

Personally I don't see anything impressive in attack from Golding, and having sutty behind him would push him on. Also, I think we're going to need to address the briscoeissue if he doesn't start to improve soon. And sutty at full back and Golding on the wing could be a good option if half there's no signs of improvement.

I'm basically saying if last year taught us anything, then strength in depth is vital to compete in super league. And sutcliffe is exactly that for us. plus he can kick at goal.

Sutcliffe is still contracted until the end of next season, I wouldn't be surprised to see him play more at 6 next season, but I'd like to see him given a full season in the centres

I would like to keep Sutcliffe for the reasons mentioned above
I think the point is would Sutcliffe be happy to sign another contract knowing that he is looked on as a utility player. He is at a stage now where he needs to become a regular in the side imo. I'm not sure which is his best position, fullback or centre possibly.

I think I agree with this. But that's up to him to make a position his own. I think if at the end of last year after that good run of games he had at fb he could have got the no. 1 shirt. Instead he said he wanted stand off and this year he's been out played there by moon.

Sutcliffe's a better fullback than Golding IMO but will be his back up I'd imagine.
He should be vying with Keinhorst for a place at centre should Moon stay in the halves though. If Moon moves back to centre then he's vying with Lilley & Myler for a half back spot.
He'll also, probably, see more game time than JJB, Delaney & Ferres next year...

Cant' believe anyone think's he's not worthy of a place in the squad TBH, although this is Southstander so I shouldn't be that surprised.

i was under the impression with sutcliffe that mcd had him down as first choice half with myler next year and that was why mcguire decided to move on.

He said say in his press conference last week that Leeds haven't written off Sutcliffe off as a 6 yet, but the way Moon has performed since being given the role has probably made him first choice at the moment.

I think Moon and Myler will be the HB pairing at the start of the season.

I agree and i hope it works out that way. Id like to see sutcliffe in the left role, im not as high on keinhorst as a lot of people and think sutcliffe would offer a lot more there given a run of games.

Definitely

IMHO This is where the squad are=#FF0000:2k4qyirw deficient::2k4qyirw

1. Ashton Golding; 04/09/96; Fullback [2021 - CT K
=#FF0000:2k4qyirw2. Tom Briscoe; 19/03/90; Wing/Centre/Fullback [2018 - FT - no form for 2 years shadow of the player we first signed:2k4qyirw
3. Kallum Watkins; 12/03/91; Centre/Wing/Fullback [2019 - CT K
4. Joel Moon; 20/05/88; Centre/Stand Off/Half Back/Second Row/Loose Forward [2018 - NFT
5. Ryan Hall; 27/11/87; Wing/Centre [2018 - CT
=#00BF00:2k4qyirw6. ???????????????????????? we need a organising stand off but from where ?Sutcliffe and Moon not the answer:2k4qyirw
7. Richie Myler; 21/05/90; Half Back [2020 - FT

Forwards:
=#FF0000:2k4qyirw8. Keith Galloway; 02/08/85; Prop [2018 - NFT ---- waste of a NFT spot unlucky with injury dissappointing to say he is ex SOO and Australian international:2k4qyirw
9. Matt Parcell; 30/10/1992; Hooker [2019 - NFT OQ
10. Adam Cuthbertson; 24/02/85; Prop/Second Row [2018 - NFT
11. Jamie Jones-Buchanan; 01/08/81; Second Row/Loose Forward [2017 - CT
12. Carl Ablett; 19/12/85; Second Row/Centre/Loose Forward [2018 - CT
13. Stevie Ward; 17/11/93; Loose Forward/Second Row/Centre [2020 - CT K
14. Liam Sutcliffe; 25/11/94; Fullback/Half Back/Loose Forward/Centre [2017 - CT K
=#FF0000:2k4qyirw15. Brett Delaney; 26/10/85; Second Row/Centre [2018 - NFT ** Done same as Galloway:2k4qyirw
16. Brad Singleton; 29/10/92; Prop/Loose Forward [2018 - CT
17. Mitch Garbutt; 18/04/89; Prop [2019 - NFT OQ
18. Jimmy Keinhorst; 14/07/90; Centre/Second Row [2018 - CT n
19. Brett Ferres; 19/04/86; Second Row/Loose Forward [2019 - FT
=#FF0000:2k4qyirw20. Anthony Mullally; 28/06/91; Prop [2018 - FT Sub standard forward
21. Josh Walters; 23/12/94; Centre/Second Row [2017 - CT ** as above - FT
 
From this I would say we need 3 decent forwards and 2 quality backs for the squad to put us back into Finals again. As JP said after the match (or something similar) ,if we fail to reach the final play off's then we need some sort of overhaul. Perhaps if some deadwood is chopped we will have some leverage room under the cap,but other teams seem to be able to attract decent quality players to their squads so why not Leeds.
Thoughts anyone?

If the 2010 squad was under the cap, the cap surely cannot be an issue in 2017/2018. The serial unwillingness to spend what is permitted could explain why Leeds are only able to recruit journeymen and retain championship quality players.

Somewhat ironic that posting this message while stopping off on the way home - charging my car in the Doncaster Lakeside car-park (a stones throw from the Keepmoat) having watched the game with family in Leeds.

I think people get too caught up analysing the cap. You would be surprised with some of the wages, and value for money certainly isn't a measure of it.

You would be right to think with player x gone, player y can't be on that, but it would be a wrong assumption. And to be fair although this is poor from a management point, it is indicative of how the low salary cap has restricted throughout the game, and why Super League has gone so far backwards as a result.

Cuthbo aside, I think all our forwards are complete plodders.

Cuthbertsons best at 13 and imo the best 13 in the league,I think ward is a quality backrower and could be even better if his skills were used more often and i quite like garbutt but other than that i agree,our other props and backrowers are pretty poor,lots of hard work but no dynamism or threat atall

god forbid it is

Moon was exposed for what he is a very good centre playing out of position

A few top flight signings before the start of next season would be very welcome. But not at the cost of spending more than we can afford. I doubt Bradford fans look back at their over spending period with a warm glow from their view point of the third tier of RL. Stadium development, whilst much needed, will add strain to our financial position and I suspect that, rightly, the board will be prudent in their spending elsewhere, including retention and recruitment.

no point having a great stadium but dwindling crowds as the team drops. if you can't factor in the full cap then it's a sad state we've got into

Those crowds would still be the envy of top of the table Cas, or top four fighting Wakefield and Salford, so not really an excuse at all.

No-one is suggesting spebding more than we've got just recruiting/promoting from within as we used to.
You can still sign good players without breaking the bank if you get the recruitment right & the youngsters coming through are nurtured properly.