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Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino wrote:I see your Rowley and I'll raise you a Sam Burgess.

Now Im not saying that Wire will go on to win any pots but hes taken a misfiring, spice boys joke of a team and in one preseason moulded them into a very solid, taught team. Their defence is spot on, their attack is crisp and they really look like they are finally moving in the right direction.

1 off season and were what? 2 years in on Rohans Revolution and we still cant string results or performances together?

christopher wrote:If Leeds had signed San Burgess as head coach this forum would have gone into meltdown ;-)

I think they've been pretty smart in pairing him with Martin Gleeson to be honest, he does the technical coaching and Burgess the motivation/man management.

Barrie’s Glass Eye wrote:Pretty sure Richard Marshall is there too. I remember saying at the time Burgess will go well with support around him. That’s what they’ve done.

KaeruJim wrote:Again disagree that style = errors. I think people are finding any way to attribute blame to RS when we're talking like this frankly.

There is plenty to criticise about his approach but the errors are individual players lacking quality and/or concentration and discipline in key moments. We will retain the errors unless we switch out some repeat offenders.

I agree with you mostly over the analysis on the props. Holroyd needs an injury-free run and a real pre-season, but he does defend aggressively and puts himself about in the middle. Mik is fine, he's a good player. We fall off very quickly beyond those two though - Lisone is one with errors/sloppiness to his play, and Sangare doesn't run his weight.

Part of the problem though is the lightweight-ish back row. The only back rower who can bend the line is probably Smith, but I think we need another second row who is hard to handle. Personally I think McDonnell is our best grafter/dirty work player but all the other pack members should be awkward to defend against if we want more domination in centre field.

Re-signing Bentley and Donaldson (who to be fair is more here for morale than actually playing at this stage), and signing Goudemand just exacerbates the problems we have in the pack. We do have some better prospects coming through the academy but they could be a couple of years off realistically.

mattsrhinos1978 wrote:We'r a terribly coached team, we have no structure and no plan, obvious to anyone with eyes

Our talent ID is also appalling, what kind of team are we, its Smiths team now, thats last seasons excuses out the way, so what does a Smith team look like:

Are we a Big team?
Are we a Quick team?
Are we a fit team?
Are we an intelligent team?
Are we a resilient team?

The answers no to all, we have no playing identity that translates to successful RL.

He will leave us, hopefully soon, in as bad a mess as he found us

Author:	christopher [ Wed May 29, 2024 11:58 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Smith out ASAP
Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino wrote:I see your Rowley and I'll raise you a Sam Burgess. Now Im not saying that Wire will go on to win any pots but hes taken a misfiring, spice boys joke of a team and in one preseason moulded them into a very solid, taught team. Their defence is spot on, their attack is crisp and they really look like they are finally moving in the right direction. 1 off season and were what? 2 years in on Rohans Revolution and we still cant string results or performances together? If Leeds had signed San Burgess as head coach this forum would have gone into meltdown I think they've been pretty smart in pairing him with Martin Gleeson to be honest, he does the technical coaching and Burgess the motivation/man management.

Author:	Barrie’s Glass Eye [ Wed May 29, 2024 12:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Smith out ASAP
christopher wrote:If Leeds had signed San Burgess as head coach this forum would have gone into meltdown I think they've been pretty smart in pairing him with Martin Gleeson to be honest, he does the technical coaching and Burgess the motivation/man management. Pretty sure Richard Marshall is there too. I remember saying at the time Burgess will go well with support around him. That’s what they’ve done.

Author:	exiledrhino [ Wed May 29, 2024 12:45 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Smith out ASAP
Barrie’s Glass Eye wrote:Pretty sure Richard Marshall is there too. I remember saying at the time Burgess will go well with support around him. That’s what they’ve done. I think more significant than Marshall is Martin Gleeson. He's been in the England RU set up (shows how respected he is), and was assistant at Salford through their period of success in CC and GF. Great attack coach, who we should have picked up.

Author:	ploinerrhino [ Wed May 29, 2024 1:28 pm ]
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KaeruJim wrote:Again disagree that style = errors. I think people are finding any way to attribute blame to RS when we're talking like this frankly. There is plenty to criticise about his approach but the errors are individual players lacking quality and/or concentration and discipline in key moments. We will retain the errors unless we switch out some repeat offenders. I agree with you mostly over the analysis on the props. Holroyd needs an injury-free run and a real pre-season, but he does defend aggressively and puts himself about in the middle. Mik is fine, he's a good player. We fall off very quickly beyond those two though - Lisone is one with errors/sloppiness to his play, and Sangare doesn't run his weight. Part of the problem though is the lightweight-ish back row. The only back rower who can bend the line is probably Smith, but I think we need another second row who is hard to handle. Personally I think McDonnell is our best grafter/dirty work player but all the other pack members should be awkward to defend against if we want more domination in centre field. Re-signing Bentley and Donaldson (who to be fair is more here for morale than actually playing at this stage), and signing Goudemand just exacerbates the problems we have in the pack. We do have some better prospects coming through the academy but they could be a couple of years off realistically. He is responsible for the mistakes , if i have 17 blokes working under me who i wanted and they kept messing up , i do not think i woud last long in a job

Author:	ploinerrhino [ Wed May 29, 2024 1:35 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Smith out ASAP
[quote="mattsrhinos1978"]We'r a terribly coached team, we have no structure and no plan, obvious to anyone with eyes Our talent ID is also appalling, what kind of team are we, its Smiths team now, thats last seasons excuses out the way, so what does a Smith team look like: Are we a Big team? Are we a Quick team? Are we a fit team? Are we an intelligent team? Are we a resilient team? The answers no to all, we have no playing identity that translates to successful RL. He will leave us, hopefully soon, in as bad a mess as he found us[/quote The most accurate post on this thread

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Author:	KaeruJim [ Wed May 29, 2024 1:59 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Smith out ASAP
Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino wrote:I see your Rowley and I'll raise you a Sam Burgess. Now Im not saying that Wire will go on to win any pots but hes taken a misfiring, spice boys joke of a team and in one preseason moulded them into a very solid, taught team. Their defence is spot on, their attack is crisp and they really look like they are finally moving in the right direction. 1 off season and were what? 2 years in on Rohans Revolution and we still cant string results or performances together? They also have probably the best half in the competition in George Williams, they hardly have a bad roster.. our England reps are Newman who is rocks and diamonds at Leeds, and possibly Mik who is again pretty much carrying the Leeds pack like the bad old days. Signing Croft was a step in the right direction but we are still playing catch-up. I'd prefer it if we tried to play overtake.

Author:	KaeruJim [ Wed May 29, 2024 2:13 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Smith out ASAP
mattsrhinos1978 wrote:We'r a terribly coached team, we have no structure and no plan, obvious to anyone with eyes Our talent ID is also appalling, what kind of team are we, its Smiths team now, thats last seasons excuses out the way, so what does a Smith team look like: Are we a Big team? Are we a Quick team? Are we a fit team? Are we an intelligent team? Are we a resilient team? The answers no to all, we have no playing identity that translates to successful RL. He will leave us, hopefully soon, in as bad a mess as he found us Not as bad a mess as he found us I don't think. You know better than anyone where the youth is at today compared to years gone by. For various reasons (mostly size), Mustapha, Broadbent, Edwards, Sutcliffe, McConnell, Field and a few others didn't work out. We had a long time in the wilderness. I do believe that Lumb, N McCormack, Edgell, Smith, Simpson, Brown, White, Cassell, Lloyd, Stelfox and some others are real chances. There are some talented lads with pace and/or size. Still a couple of years off putting a real stamp on first grade but I'm much happier about the future than I have been for a long time. There are only enough real quality domestic players for maybe the top 4/5 clubs in SL, and gone are the days where clubs can afford genuinely first grade NRL players. The risks are huge bringing NRL players across now, they're either chronically injured, have major attitude issues, or are unproven. Nobody who can make first grade in NRL is going to choose SL in the current climate - or very few. So Leeds have to continue to work on the youth development and actually do better there than we have before, against a backdrop of declining participation. Most importantly, we have to be better at this work than our competitors are. Having said that we are going to need to use any quota spots very well for 2025 if we're going to plug the obvious holes in the side and mount a serious challenge. I'm actually more bothered about the squad quality and balance than I am the coach - it does take both to be successful but I don't believe our squad is good enough still regardless of who's coaching. This is another reason I think we need to recruit from the NRL for a coach if we do replace Smith: someone with contacts and who is well thought of over there is worth its weight in gold when it comes to attracting the type of talent Leeds needs to break into the big time again.

Author:	mattsrhinos1978 [ Wed May 29, 2024 2:49 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Smith out ASAP
Jim, Smith has had minimul, if any, involvment with the ID/ recruitment of any of those young players you mention I get what your saying in regards not leaving us in as bad a state because we have the youth in the system, but the reality is, they would be in the system regardless of Smith. What we know, is that the current first team is Smiths squad, nearly every one of them has been signed, or re-signed under his watch, so what does a Smith team look like? We'r not particularly big We'r not particularly fast We'r not particularly fit We'r certainly not intelligent We'r not particularly resilient Leeds arnt the only team facing the recruitment challenges you list, all S/L teams are in the same boat, if anything we have advantages over nearly everyone else, but other clubs get it right much more often than we do

Author:	Exeter Rhino [ Thu May 30, 2024 10:03 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Smith out ASAP
I think the current squad has enough fast players (Miller, Handley, Newman, Croft etc) Fitness, intelligence and resilience have been there if the current first team have struggled to show these things in the last couple of games. Size is definitely a missing ingredient, especially in association with the other traits mentioned. Right now we the team needs a) a fresh infusion of confidence as individuals and in teammates, b) whatever it takes to stop all these individual errors, and c) a few extra bodies back in critical positions. Then we can start talking about buzzwords like identity and DNA. Right now their collective identity is shot to pieces.

Author:	tad rhino [ Thu May 30, 2024 6:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Smith out ASAP
when club mouthpiece peter smith starts writing about rifts between coach and players, and players obviously aren't playing for him you know he's a dead man walking.

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