Post subject: Re: The Wiiliam Eve Memorial how will we do in 2017? Thread
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:27 pm
ThePrinter
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DHM wrote:One thing is absolutely certain, you cannot win a game at all if you can't score.
Wigan scored the second fewest points in the regular season just in front of us by 36 which works out at less than a goalkick per game, yet were 2 points off top. But they had the 2nd best defence so pretty much the opposite of Cas (2nd best attack, 2nd worst defence).
Wigan might not be as entertaining as Cas but an 18-16 scrappy win will do more for your league position than a 36-34 loss no matter how entertaining those tries were in defeat.
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Post subject: Re: The Wiiliam Eve Memorial how will we do in 2017? Thread
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:05 pm
Gotcha
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ThePrinter wrote:Wigan scored the second fewest points in the regular season just in front of us by 36 which works out at less than a goalkick per game, yet were 2 points off top. But they had the 2nd best defence so pretty much the opposite of Cas (2nd best attack, 2nd worst defence).
Wigan might not be as entertaining as Cas but an 18-16 scrappy win will do more for your league position than a 36-34 loss no matter how entertaining those tries were in defeat.
Post subject: Re: The Wiiliam Eve Memorial how will we do in 2017? Thread
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:44 pm
Gotcha
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Mark Laurie wrote:Think this thread may need renaming
The Carpet Carriers - how will our Roman settlement dwelling cousins fare in 2017?
Answer - better than us IF they can improve D. Last year some super football but could not stop a pig in a passage when playing good teams.
Incorrect. They need to improve nothing to fair better than us. They would have to regress significantly to match us.
But as quite fairly put earlier in thread, it was about Cas and not us. Nobody disagrees on the point of improving defence to win a trophy, but with an attack so good, winning matches is not a problem, and hence why the prediction is to be up there. I always maintain 2005 when Leeds were truelly at their greatest, the best team by miles. We lost both major finals, but the rugby was superb. Trophy's are not the be all and end all. Performances like Leeds last year however turns many away.
Post subject: Re: The Wiiliam Eve Memorial how will we do in 2017? Thread
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:57 pm
DHM
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Barrie's Glass Eye wrote:I know you can't win if you don't score, but I agree with Clearwing, that if Cas had been Leeds I'd have been entertained and frustrated in lequal measure. I can just as easily flip your comment that conceding more points puts more pressure on your attack. Our defence last season was sloppy and permanently on the back foot for a variety of reasons including our poor attack.
If I wanted a team to compete, I would 100% prefer my defence to be the solid Base on which to build. That's with my coach hat on, obviously I take your point on entertainment.
I actually think the single biggest thing Leeds could do to improve both attack and defence is improve on our last tackles plays. I lost count of the amount of times last season where we chose to bypass kickers and try and go Harlem Globe Trotters, even in our own half.
I also agreed with Clearwing, see the post. What argument do you want to flip? I stated a simple fact, you have to score to win a game - is this not correct? I also said that attack and defence are all one, I used the word intertwined. Do you disagree? You can't defend for 80 if you don't exert any pressure when you have the ball. Likewise you can't win trophies with a shoot out every week. And yes, you are spot on regarding last tackle plays.
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Post subject: Re: The Wiiliam Eve Memorial how will we do in 2017? Thread
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:05 pm
DHM
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Gotcha wrote:But did they win a game when not scoring?
Last year a lot of teams worked out Wigan's attacking structure. They misfired a lot. They are unimaginative when their structures are shut down and go to a muscle game. They also had some outstanding individuals who turned up when needed. It was enough last season against frankly disappointing opposition to squeeze out a turd of a winning season.
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Post subject: Re: The Wiiliam Eve Memorial how will we do in 2017? Thread
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:35 pm
Norman Stanley Fletcher
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2016 was the worse year quality wise since the inception of Super League, and I'm not saying that because we were schnitzel either. The game as a whole is very stale at the moment.
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Post subject: Re: The Wiiliam Eve Memorial how will we do in 2017? Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:12 am
Barrie's Glass Eye
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DHM wrote:I also agreed with Clearwing, see the post. What argument do you want to flip? I stated a simple fact, you have to score to win a game - is this not correct? I also said that attack and defence are all one, I used the word intertwined. Do you disagree? You can't defend for 80 if you don't exert any pressure when you have the ball. Likewise you can't win trophies with a shoot out every week. And yes, you are spot on regarding last tackle plays.
I was suggesting that while you said you'll have a lot of pressure on your defence if you can't attack, similarly there will be a lot of pressure on on your attack if you are conceding a shedload. Probably leading to more pushing passes and dropped ball etc.
Now I've read read your post, we appear to be saying the same thing, apologies. I was trying to argue the suggestion that fixing our attack would mean we'll be fine this season. It'll help, but some of our basic defence was terrible. Unable to slide, unable to control a ruck. I believe traditionally defence is easier to fix than attack also.
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