ThePrinter wrote:So it's the clubs fault then not the game if others have shown you can manage and be fine and continue to win GF's. No reason Bradford couldn't have done the same except for their own failings.
Nope that is just something you have made up in your head.
I haven't apportioned blame anywhere.
As I said, not every club is the same. What works for leeds may be damaging for bradford.
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Exeter Rhino wrote:I think you are unfair to highlight the free ticket promotion. That was tremendously successful in the late 1990s in exposing RL to a completely new market. Bradford became the best supported club in SL for a time, and this wouldn't have happened without a bit of a stimulus. At the same time Leeds were in a very precarious position and could have done a Bradford if Caddick and GH hadn't come in.
The various administrations at the Bulls were obviously not blameless, including Caisley's hatred of Leeds and his peeing contest with GH, leading to the consequences of the Harris affair. Some fans on the Bulls board were well aware of the financial millstone of Odsal long before the on-field decline started, which begs the question of why it wasn't addressed sooner, but for a time there appeared to be genuine optimism that all the problems would have been solved with the much vaunted redevelopment of Odsal that must have been dependent on external sources of funding rolling in. When things started to go wrong on the field under McNamara, the off-field decline was already well in motion.
Yeah but blaming profligacy and bogeymen is easy and simple and means we can pretend everything is hunky dory and we don't have to address the structural reasons why this keeps happening. It means we don't have to make the tough choices, take the unpopular decisions, or do the hard tasks. We can just simply blame profligacy and bogeymen.
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This appears to me to suggest that success on the field is more important to some clubs than others.
In order to maintain their revenue streams Bradford needed to have a strong side, their fan base wasn't huge before SL 5k? that grew with success but as soon as the success dried up the fan base has shrunk to its 5k again.
Wigan/Leeds/Saints - have historically a more robust fan base so they can stand greater fluctuations in success - Leeds' crowds will be down next season but they will still be 13-15k a game.
Without success the appetite for RL in Bradford is pretty small - no wonder it has gone bust so many times.
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Sal Paradise wrote:This appears to me to suggest that success on the field is more important to some clubs than others.
In order to maintain their revenue streams Bradford needed to have a strong side, their fan base wasn't huge before SL 5k? that grew with success but as soon as the success dried up the fan base has shrunk to its 5k again.
Wigan/Leeds/Saints - have historically a more robust fan base so they can stand greater fluctuations in success - Leeds' crowds will be down next season but they will still be 13-15k a game.
Without success the appetite for RL in Bradford is pretty small - no wonder it has gone bust so many times.
I think that's far too simplistic. Bradford's problems have been two fold. Firstly of infrastructure and latterly of scale. Odsal is an expensive stadium to maintain. It is in huge need of renovation but the Bulls don't have the stability, security and attractiveness to do that. That is a long term, large financial outlay, they don't have a sugar daddy who can throw that money at them, ! Kindly council or developer who will do it for a sweetheart deal on some land, and they definitely don't exist in an environment with the ability to allow them borrow on confident projections for the next 20-30years.
Now their problem is scale. Odsal is too big for the championship. The fixed costs and overheads are too high for that league. Their break even or even survivable losses are too high to be anything other than a top end SL club attracting top end SL crowds. Now some might say that they should 'cut their cloth accordingly' but they ad a club are too big to be run like a batley or a dewsbury. They don't have a small stadium they own to move in to, and if they did it would only depress crowds further And leave them stuck if they ever did start moving forward.
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Exeter Rhino wrote:I think you are unfair to highlight the free ticket promotion. That was tremendously successful in the late 1990s in exposing RL to a completely new market. Bradford became the best supported club in SL for a time, and this wouldn't have happened without a bit of a stimulus. At the same time Leeds were in a very precarious position and could have done a Bradford if Caddick and GH hadn't come in
no issue with free tickets, leeds did it, but the bulls kept giving out so many year after year after year, and never built on it, that why would people buy a ticket?? i very rarely paid to go to odsal for years, tickets were so easy to come by
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SmokeyTA wrote:Nope that is just something you have made up in your head.
I haven't apportioned blame anywhere.
As I said, not every club is the same. What works for leeds may be damaging for bradford.
And whose fault is it if the things that worked for the likes of Leeds, Wigan and Saints didn't work for Bradford? Nothing was stopping them after their 2005 GF win from continuing to be a top 4 team apart from their own doing of being badly run.
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ThePrinter wrote:And whose fault is it if the things that worked for the likes of Leeds, Wigan and Saints didn't work for Bradford? Nothing was stopping them after their 2005 GF win from continuing to be a top 4 team apart from their own doing of being badly run.
Its nobody's fault. Bogeymen and villains are for children and fools.
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SmokeyTA wrote:Its nobody's fault. Bogeymen and villains are for children and fools.
Didn't realise people who run professional sports team are bogeymen. Oh well let's pretend the people involved with running Bradford over the years have all done a fantastic mistake free job just to suite Smokey's agenda.
"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection."
Success in business is a confluence of luck, circumstance and skill. There are many very very skillful businessmen who have failed because of luck and circumstance, and some pretty damn average ones have been hugely successful in spite of their decisions.
Its easy for anyone to sit in judgement after the fact and point out mistakes and say what should have been different, even someone with no experience or knowledge of running a business can do so. Cant they
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