Yep, still counts as non-Fed trained unless he'd played something like 3 years here between the ages of 16 and 21? Something like that anyway.

Carney is on a different planet to Widdop. But not in playing terms. Lad's a fruit loop

Who would you like us to sign who's already here mate?

I agree with you he is bonkers but he is a much better player the Widdop his game has more diversity he is a better passer, better strategist and significantly more skill and game awareness.

Gale would be my first choice, has everything you need in a modern halfback. I wouldn't have minded Myler last year either. Carney would be the stand out but I think his visa is a problem.

One less experienced option would be to go after Hampshire from Wigan, the lad is going to be quality and seemingly isn't wanted as a half by Wane.

I would agree Gale looks a good shout to move us around, kick well and can create. I also think he would go well with mags while we figure out if sutty and lilley have futures with us (Lilley yes, sutty no for me).

I think it's definitely a factor amongst other things. I would say many things have changed from last season regarding Leeds, some within our control, some we can have no influence over. Sinny and JP were always leaving, it could be argued a bad decision has been made to go with what we have for this season in the halves, and that JP's replacement has had nowhere near the impact expected. The 20 minutes Kyle gave us in the big games has not been matched by other replacements. The training ground disaster has had a detrimental effect, nobody can quantify just how much, but is another problem we didn't need. Other external factors have exacerbated our situation, namely the improvement in other teams players, and their better recruitment. Two cases would be Warrington (better recruitment), and Wigan, their younger players like Bateman, Manfredi, Sarginson, Gildart etc are all a year older and seemingly better for that experience and physical development. In short, for various reasons, most teams have improved while we have deteriorated. A lot of our older players are a year older, slower, with less impact, while our youngsters have not lived up to unrealistic expectations, and our players in the prime of their careers are performing like spent forces. I think there is no doubt the influence exerted by Sinny and JP around the club would have lessened our current traumas, but it's only one of a few problems currently affecting the club.