FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

  

Home Leeds Rhinos SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford)



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 697 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 ... 70  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:31 pm 
Club Owner
International Star

Joined: Mar 16 2004
Posts: 6719
Location: Meltham
I don't know what level of impact messaging the RLF Facebook page on mass can have but I've added my contribution. There needs to be a strong supporter reaction to the governing body on this as it's sets a precedent and the games dragged into disrepute.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:40 pm 
International Star
Academy Player
User avatar

Joined: Apr 17 2014
Posts: 422
Location: The swamps of Warrington
The Ghost of '99 wrote:No, let's be very clear what happened.

Every sanction has a right to an appeal.

Leeds appealed the Newman two game ban.
They failed and the ban stood.

An additional one match sanction was added for the frivolous appeal. How sad that phrase looks now.
That new sanction had its own appeal process which Leeds followed and also lost.

There was no double dipping of appeals. I can't see this has ever happened before today. So a completely new process, just for St Helens, just in Grand Final week.

It's either corrupt or absurdly incompetent.

This fast developing scandal will inevitably overshadow whatever happens on Saturday night now. It's a massive crisis for the sport and its credibility.

It’s not about new sanctions. You can appeal the result of your appeal, which you did twice and now we’ve done.






The only reason they look up to you is because they chose to kneel.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:41 pm 
Club Captain
Academy Player

Joined: Sep 12 2018
Posts: 309
Seth wrote:I don't know what level of impact messaging the RLF Facebook page on mass can have but I've added my contribution. There needs to be a strong supporter reaction to the governing body on this as it's sets a precedent and the games dragged into disrepute.


Not sure if this link works but may be worth considering a post or comment going to them if you feel it is worth it.

https://www.rlfans.com/index.php?id=3059
Seth wrote:I don't know what level of impact messaging the RLF Facebook page on mass can have but I've added my contribution. There needs to be a strong supporter reaction to the governing body on this as it's sets a precedent and the games dragged into disrepute.


Not sure if this link works but may be worth considering a post or comment going to them if you feel it is worth it.

https://www.rlfans.com/index.php?id=3059

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:50 pm 
Player Coach
Club Captain
User avatar

Joined: Feb 26 2006
Posts: 3092
The Reaper wrote:It’s not about new sanctions. You can appeal the result of your appeal, which you did twice and now we’ve done.

No you're wrong. The rules specifically state the appeals panel is the final decision. There is - was - no system for second appeals against original sanctions. This apparently new system has just been made up/allowed to exist, just to benefit St Helens, just this week.

It's the most corrupt looking thing we've seen. At least some of the decisions handed down before had a fig leaf of subjectivity about them. At least the framework of the system had some integrity. Now even that's been destroyed. And for what? So the St Helens club can win a tainted title? That's enough to be worth bringing the game to its knees over?






"Brian McDermott, with a wry smile, nods when asked if he remembers a specific incident which made him realise he was a prick. 'I do', he murmurs."

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:54 pm 
International Star
Academy Player
User avatar

Joined: Apr 17 2014
Posts: 422
Location: The swamps of Warrington
The Ghost of '99 wrote:No you're wrong. The rules specifically state the appeals panel is the final decision. There is - was - no system for second appeals against original sanctions. This apparently new system has just been made up/allowed to exist, just to benefit St Helens, just this week.

It's the most corrupt looking thing we've seen. At least some of the decisions handed down before had a fig leaf of subjectivity about them. At least the framework of the system had some integrity. Now even that's been destroyed.


rubbish. This has always been the rules. Have you got a link or screenshot to these supposed rules that existed 24 hours ago? Obviously they haven’t just made it up lmao you literally appealed an appeal result twice this season already. Farcical levels of delusion here






The only reason they look up to you is because they chose to kneel.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:55 pm 
Club Captain
Academy Player

Joined: Sep 12 2018
Posts: 309
The Reaper wrote:It’s not about new sanctions. You can appeal the result of your appeal, which you did twice and now we’ve done.


No you cannot appeal the result of an appeal, unless the result of the original appeal is for additional matches to be added to the orignal sanction. I will spoon feed it to you, so you cannot misunderstand.

1. Martin is banned for a single match for an offence
2. That ban is then appealed
3. The appeal is not successful and an additional match is added to the original sanction. That additional match being for the frivolous nature of the appeal (now a two game ban).
4. A further appeal is made, not against the original ban of one match, but rather the additional or second match which was added for the frivolous appeal against the original one game ban.
5. That further appeal isn’t successful, the orignal appeal is deemed frivolous and Martin is banned for two games. One for the offence and one for the frivolous appeal.

1. Knowles is banned for two matches for an offence
2. That ban is then appealed
3. The appeal is not successful, the charge and grading remain static. No additional match is added, the panel must have taken the view it was not frivolous.
4. A further appeal is made, it cannot be against any additional marches or frivolous nature of the appeal because no additional matches were added to the orignal sanction on appeal and it wasn’t deemed a frivolous appeal.
5. The original sanction is over turned and as such there is essentially no ban and Knowles is free to play.

Those two situations are not the same, they have very significant differences. What you are talking about with Knowles is a secondary appeal or an appeal against an appeal decision. I don’t like the original decision, I’ve appealed and lost again so I am going to keep going until I get a different answer.

That just isn’t what the rules are, they never have been. So how come in the week of a grand final, are St Helens allowed to make an appeal that no other club has seemingly been able to make all year?

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:03 pm 
International Star
Academy Player
User avatar

Joined: Apr 17 2014
Posts: 422
Location: The swamps of Warrington
Lprhino wrote:No you cannot appeal the result of an appeal, unless the result of the original appeal is for additional matches to be added to the orignal sanction. I will spoon feed it to you, so you cannot misunderstand.

1. Martin is banned for a single match for an offence
2. That ban is then appealed
3. The appeal is not successful and an additional match is added to the original sanction. That additional match being for the frivolous nature of the appeal (now a two game ban).
4. A further appeal is made, not against the original ban of one match, but rather the additional or second match which was added for the frivolous appeal against the original one game ban.
5. That further appeal isn’t successful, the orignal appeal is deemed frivolous and Martin is banned for two games. One for the offence and one for the frivolous appeal.

1. Knowles is banned for two matches for an offence
2. That ban is then appealed
3. The appeal is not successful, the charge and grading remain static. No additional match is added, the panel must have taken the view it was not frivolous.
4. A further appeal is made, it cannot be against any additional marches or frivolous nature of the appeal because no additional matches were added to the orignal sanction on appeal and it wasn’t deemed a frivolous appeal.
5. The original sanction is over turned and as such there is essentially no ban and Knowles is free to play.

Those two situations are not the same, they have very significant differences. What you are talking about with Knowles is a secondary appeal or an appeal against an appeal decision. I don’t like the original decision, I’ve appealed and lost again so I am going to keep going until I get a different answer.

That just isn’t what the rules are, they never have been. So how come in the week of a grand final, are St Helens allowed to make an appeal that no other club has seemingly been able to make all year?

Obviously it is what the rules are because we’ve just done it??

Are you genuinely suggesting that they’ve just changed the rules to allow us to do it? Insanity






The only reason they look up to you is because they chose to kneel.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:11 pm 
Club Captain
Academy Player

Joined: Jul 02 2015
Posts: 335
Location: The EU (for 2 years at least)
The Reaper wrote:Insanity


You got that right

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:13 pm 
Club Captain
Academy Player

Joined: Oct 12 2019
Posts: 274
I hope the RFL statement is pasted on every door at Headingley and the Kirkstall training complex, best piece of Sports Psychology ever.
If Rhinos win on Saturday Saints will probably appeal and get the result reversed.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:14 pm 
Club Captain
Academy Player

Joined: Oct 12 2019
Posts: 274
Steves wrote:I hope the RFL statement is pasted on every door at Headingley and the Kirkstall training complex, best piece of Sports Psychology ever.
If Rhinos win on Saturday Saints will probably appeal and get the result reversed.

Top
   
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 697 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 ... 70  Next





It is currently Fri Nov 01, 2024 7:34 pm


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: ArthurClues, Jrrhino, MeanwoodGuy, Tex Rerp, Trebor1, YosemiteSam and 143 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


It is currently Fri Nov 01, 2024 7:34 pm
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
8m
Liam Kay
Wollo-Wollo-
53
23m
2025 Shirt
Azul
3
26m
Transfer Talk V5
ArthurClues
346
27m
2025 Season tickets
Eastern Wild
109
27m
Lee Kershaw
The Avenger
1
27m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
Trebor1
2527
36m
The annual new kit thread
Jason65
17
Recent
Recruitment rumours and links
Kevin Turvey
3470
Recent
2025 Recruitment
bullinenemyl
151
Recent
New Kit
Big lads mat
33
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
45s
2025 Season tickets
Eastern Wild
109
50s
2025 Shirt
Azul
3
53s
Lee Kershaw
The Avenger
1
1m
Uele contract extension
Khlav Kalash
5
2m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
Trebor1
2527
2m
IMG scores
PopTart
253
2m
England vs Samoa
jonh
81
2m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40420
3m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62892
3m
The annual new kit thread
Jason65
17
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Lee Kershaw
The Avenger
1
TODAY
2025 Shirt
Azul
3
TODAY
Home Shirt 2025
MattyB
1
TODAY
Uele contract extension
Khlav Kalash
5
TODAY
Squad for Match 2 v Samoa
just_browny
3
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 2
Wires71
7
TODAY
Sky tv deals
ninearches
6
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 1
Lord Tony Sm
24
TODAY
New Kit
Big lads mat
33
TODAY
Memorable Games
Rugby Raider
6
TODAY
Hybrid rugby
TonyM19
10
TODAY
Pre Season - 2025
His Bobness
27
TODAY
England v Australia
karetaker
23
TODAY
The Aussies are coming
Bullseye
17
TODAY
England Beat Samoa Comfortably In First Test
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
England v Samoa
karetaker
23
TODAY
England vs Samoa
jonh
81
TODAY
Trinity back on super league forum
RoyBoy29
4
TODAY
IN 2025 Maika Sivo - Expires 2028
batleyrhino
36
TODAY
Danny McGuire new head coach
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
What happens now
Start@1873
3
TODAY
Liam Kay
Wollo-Wollo-
53
TODAY
Coach announced
The Dors
14
TODAY
This forum
Bunkaib
7
TODAY
OUT 2025 Paul Momirovski - Released
Sir Gregory
23
TODAY
Aston Banned
Ilkley Fax
4
TODAY
Morgan Smithies
Zig
3
TODAY
Season Tickets 2025
stpatricks
3
TODAY
Jerome Luai
NickyKiss
19
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
539
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
408
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
564
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1190
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
1407
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
1680
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1267
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
1545
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
1881
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
1479
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
1572
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
1674
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
1902
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
2016
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
2456
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024 2 England M34-18Samoa M
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
8m
Liam Kay
Wollo-Wollo-
53
23m
2025 Shirt
Azul
3
26m
Transfer Talk V5
ArthurClues
346
27m
2025 Season tickets
Eastern Wild
109
27m
Lee Kershaw
The Avenger
1
27m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
Trebor1
2527
36m
The annual new kit thread
Jason65
17
Recent
Recruitment rumours and links
Kevin Turvey
3470
Recent
2025 Recruitment
bullinenemyl
151
Recent
New Kit
Big lads mat
33
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
45s
2025 Season tickets
Eastern Wild
109
50s
2025 Shirt
Azul
3
53s
Lee Kershaw
The Avenger
1
1m
Uele contract extension
Khlav Kalash
5
2m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
Trebor1
2527
2m
IMG scores
PopTart
253
2m
England vs Samoa
jonh
81
2m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40420
3m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62892
3m
The annual new kit thread
Jason65
17
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Lee Kershaw
The Avenger
1
TODAY
2025 Shirt
Azul
3
TODAY
Home Shirt 2025
MattyB
1
TODAY
Uele contract extension
Khlav Kalash
5
TODAY
Squad for Match 2 v Samoa
just_browny
3
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 2
Wires71
7
TODAY
Sky tv deals
ninearches
6
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 1
Lord Tony Sm
24
TODAY
New Kit
Big lads mat
33
TODAY
Memorable Games
Rugby Raider
6
TODAY
Hybrid rugby
TonyM19
10
TODAY
Pre Season - 2025
His Bobness
27
TODAY
England v Australia
karetaker
23
TODAY
The Aussies are coming
Bullseye
17
TODAY
England Beat Samoa Comfortably In First Test
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
England v Samoa
karetaker
23
TODAY
England vs Samoa
jonh
81
TODAY
Trinity back on super league forum
RoyBoy29
4
TODAY
IN 2025 Maika Sivo - Expires 2028
batleyrhino
36
TODAY
Danny McGuire new head coach
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
What happens now
Start@1873
3
TODAY
Liam Kay
Wollo-Wollo-
53
TODAY
Coach announced
The Dors
14
TODAY
This forum
Bunkaib
7
TODAY
OUT 2025 Paul Momirovski - Released
Sir Gregory
23
TODAY
Aston Banned
Ilkley Fax
4
TODAY
Morgan Smithies
Zig
3
TODAY
Season Tickets 2025
stpatricks
3
TODAY
Jerome Luai
NickyKiss
19
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
539
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
408
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
564
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1190
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
1407
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
1680
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1267
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
1545
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
1881
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
1479
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
1572
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
1674
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
1902
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
2016
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
2456


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!












.