Clubber_Lang wrote:obviously you'll manufacture a set of criteria concerning the definition of success during the Super League era to support your own agenda, and a highly contentious one at that
What is highly contentious about the following SL-era comparison?
SL Champions: Saints 5, Leeds 5 SL Grand Final appearances: Saints 9, Leeds 7 Finishing 1st in regular season: Saints 6, Leeds 2 Challenge Cup Winners: Saints 7, Leeds 1 Challenge Cup Final appearances: Saints 8, Leeds 6 WCC Winners: Saints 2, Leeds 3 WCC appearances: Saints 4, Leeds 5
Clubber_Lang wrote:but my point still stands - Leeds Rhinos fan's adoration of their club's players is based on its considerable success, rather than any misplaced sycophancy
Where have I disputed that point? Correct, I haven't. Quite why the OP and others seem to think fans of rival clubs ought to be equally sycophantic in their adulation of Leeds players is anyone's guess
When Bradford were winning all those trophies what was your opinion on their players, did you regard the likes of Naylor, McAvoy, Rigon, Brooker etc as top class?
Challenge Cup winners 2009 2010 2012 2019 League Leaders 2011 2016
sally cinnamon wrote:When Bradford were winning all those trophies what was your opinion on their players, did you regard the likes of Naylor, McAvoy, Rigon, Brooker etc as top class?
We regarded them as part of a topclass champion team without a doubt Yes ,but we and everyone else regards LEEDS RHINOS AS 2011 RUGBY LEAGUE CHAMPIONS, and Leeds are still the best run organisation in the sport
Soon we will be dancing the Fandango
FROM 2004,TO DO WHAT THIS CLUB'S DONE,IF THATS NOT GREATNESS THEN I DONT KNOW WHAT IS. JAMIE PEACOCK
Keith Swiftcorn wrote:What is highly contentious about the following SL-era comparison?
SL Champions: Saints 5, Leeds 5 SL Grand Final appearances: Saints 9, Leeds 7 Finishing 1st in regular season: Saints 6, Leeds 2 Challenge Cup Winners: Saints 7, Leeds 1 Challenge Cup Final appearances: Saints 8, Leeds 6 WCC Winners: Saints 2, Leeds 3 WCC appearances: Saints 4, Leeds 5
Where have I disputed that point? Correct, I haven't. Quite why the OP and others seem to think fans of rival clubs ought to be equally sycophantic in their adulation of Leeds players is anyone's guess
Where did I suggest that you had disputed my point directly, or that fans of other teams should share the same views as Leeds Rhino's fans? I merely reiterated my point it in light of your assertion that Leeds are not the most successful club during the super league era.
Although Leeds have obviously won more Grand Finals than St Helens, it had escaped my memory that they do in fact qualify as super league champions on 5 occasions. I'm just so used to viewing them as the nearly men - a team of redoutable triers who always seem to fall at the last hurdle.
sally cinnamon wrote:When Bradford were winning all those trophies what was your opinion on their players, did you regard the likes of Naylor, McAvoy, Rigon, Brooker etc as top class?
They were too busy sycophantically admiring top class Super League champions like Tim Jonkers, Paul Atcheson, Steve Hall, Chris Smith, John Stankevitch, Mike Bennett, Paul Davidson, Anthony Stewart and Julian O'Neill (not the serial Ocker miscreant version) at Saints. Honest!
Clubber_Lang wrote:Where did I suggest that you had disputed my point directly, or that fans of other teams should share the same views as Leeds Rhino's fans? I merely reiterated my point it in light of your assertion that Leeds are not the most successful club during the super league era.
Well there was no need because your original assertion was incorrect.
Clubber_Lang wrote:Although Leeds have obviously won more Grand Finals than St Helens, it had escaped my memory that they do in fact qualify as super league champions on 5 occasions. I'm just so used to viewing them as the nearly men - a team of redoutable triers who always seem to fall at the last hurdle.
Hmmmm... your highly contentious manufacturing of a set of criteria concerning the definition of success during the Super League era which is conveniently restricted to the 2004-2011 period and completely ignores Challenge Cup wins and finishing top of the league to support your 'Leeds are the most successful club during the SL era' agenda is duly noted.
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Keith m'dear. What relevance does appearing in a final have to success? Why is the "Mickey Mouse" suddenly worthy? Why is league position suddenly important?
I'm fairly sure someone with a remarkably similar depressing nature as your good self has discounted those 3 things I mentioned. Indeed before Saints overtook Leeds no. of Challenge Cup wins it was denigrated by that person as the Mickey Mouse Cup. In 2006 I believe that person was under the illusion that Leeds had finished 6th in that season, due to their playoff performance.
Are you now saying you don't agree with yourse.. erm this other person?
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