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Certainly isn't. It was definitely used back when Channel 4 used to show highlights on a sunday evening, although the 'challenge' system wasn't used back then, IIRC.
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Andy Gilder wrote:IIRC the video review and coaches challenge system in the NFL is a fairly recent innovation.
Video review was introduced in the late 80's. Then scrapped mid nineties - then re-introduced a few years later, but limited to a specific number of "coaches challenges".
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gulfcoast_highwayman wrote:Certainly isn't. It was definitely used back when Channel 4 used to show highlights on a sunday evening, although the 'challenge' system wasn't used back then, IIRC.
As I remember it, they introduced the video ref during that period, but dropped it after a couple of seasons due to problems, including the on-field officials mis-hearing what they guy in the booth had said and incorrectly awarding a touchdown.
The challenge system, as used now, is a fairly recent introduction.
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gulfcoast_highwayman wrote:Rugby Yawnion, lies, arrogance. It's like the good old shamatuerism days.
To be a little fair to the RU as a governing body for once, they have come down on this hard, so while I think Quins have clearly lied and possibly been very arrogant I think the RU have conducted themselves quite well. I also think reducing William's ban was the right thing to do once the scale of the deceit became clear.
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gulfcoast_highwayman wrote:Intresting thought, do you think RL would ever introduce a 'coach's challenge' rule?
Not when we already use the current video referee system, no.
If that was done away with I can see an argument for it, but what's the penalty for doing it incorrectly? In the NFL teams are charged a timeout if the challenge is turned down. The only thing we could do as far as I can see is charge coaches a substitution.
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Lord_Percy wrote:Not when we already use the current video referee system, no.
If that was done away with I can see an argument for it, but what's the penalty for doing it incorrectly? In the NFL teams are charged a timeout if the challenge is turned down. The only thing we could do as far as I can see is charge coaches a substitution.
Plus the challenge was introduced because of the length of time games take to play. They don't want every decision reviewed by the video. We seem to get every try referred in RL but because the game takes half the time to play its' not an issue.
Also, there's an distinction in the NFL compared to RL. They do not refer something to the video for a decision. The video is to see if there is irrefutable reason to change the call made by the officials on the field.
Its' actually far more supportive on on field decision making than RL's system.
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G1 wrote:Also, there's an distinction in the NFL compared to RL. They do not refer something to the video for a decision. The video is to see if there is irrefutable reason to change the call made by the officials on the field.
Its' actually far more supportive on on field decision making than RL's system.
In that respect, it's closer to what Union do. You hear their ref's asking the TMO "Is there any reason why I can't award this try?", or stuff like that.
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Andy Gilder wrote:I'd expect the RFU/IRB to take a look at the substitutions policy in the light of this.
It's not the first time it has happened by some distance. The number of teams who are getting caned in the scrums that end up with specialist props limping off so the scrums go uncontested seems to be rising every season.
Perhaps a move to say 12 interchanges from the seven available substitutes rather than the current archaic system whereby a replaced player can only return to the field following an injury?
I think this is well overdue and agree about prop forward injuries and uncontested scrums becoming more common, but the problem is the RU/IRB are indeed avoiding the issue because of their fears that RU starts to look more and more like RL!
I have always said that we would end up with one code again, how long that will take I have no idea, but the re-merged game would be always be 90% RL and 10% RU. That is the main problem RU faces for the future and it is the thing, for some reason, they fear the most.
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I have just listened to Dick Best on 5 live who raised the issue of blood bin replacements and its abuse 8 years ago and he also raised the issue of cheating regarding the scrums.
Maybe the way of stopping this is to change the rule that if a team cannot contest the scrum they lose the ball.
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