The young players at Leeds these days rarely get any better

You really think we will make the play offs

We were poor for 80% of the game, very few bright moments, loads of dumb ones , Bentley Austin,Newman etc .
Playing Martin at centre doesn’t work he is too slow and makes many mistakes.
No leadership on the field and Austin and Hanley were falling out for most of the second half .
Cameron Smith did nothing but stayed on when they could of kept O’Conner on who at least tried to make an impact in defence.

Listend to post match comments from Rohan who complained about the slow play the ball, maybe they should of planned for that speed instead of whinge afterwards.

I thought Smith was a great appointment but the team needs to start performing.

We are Losing supporters and future generation supporters rapidly , even loyal ones who went through the crap of the eighties . Our away following is now shocking on the back of numerous seasons of garbage . I know the Challenge cup early rounds are not well supported but i bet we are not far off outnumbered by Wigan .

FWIW I don't think he's good enough for the NRL.
But that hasn't stopped plenty having a go.
I get the impression he's the kind who would be looking elsewhere if things aren't going well.
And he doesn't look like he's enjoying this.

He's a far better prospect than Leeming.
And how many SL games had Tom and George Burgess played before they moved to the NRL?
Injury record might well put teams off.

What do you think will help or can be changed to make the turnaround?

Let's start a shopping list of what Rohan needs (and hope someone important looks at the list)

1. A full back like Brent Webb
2. A winger like Scott Donald / Marcus Bai
3. A leader like Kev...

Stop dreaming , nothing like that availible

Stop making stupid errors.

We ate not getting hammered in games (bar warrington) a couple of good wins and confidence can make a world of difference.

What’s the saying, you are never as bad as you think you are after a loss and you are never as good as you think you are after a win.

Reading this forum and twitter you would think we are Wakefield, I get it we Fans are passionate and care but I like to try think a bit more rationally, I didn’t used to and it just wound me up too much, I’ve learned to not over think it, and not let any weeks win or loss cloud my judgement over all.

I admire your loyalty Chris and I know you agree there`s lots for Smith to fix.
We should have a captain on the pitch and one who can voice his authority and stop the bickering between team mates and get them to stick to the game plan assuming we have one.
There`s no intensity until we are out of the game and don`t want embarrasing.
The ill discipline comes from making mistakes and sheer frustration.
No pressure on the kicker is basic stuff and must only come from the coach`s instruction along with the passive defence we now practice.
The team is good enough for a top 5/6 so I am not sure where it is going wrong
Maybe a mixture of naïve coaching and on going mistakes on the pitch.
But if we don`t fix it soon we will 100% be nowhere near the play offs imo.