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 Post subject: Re: Smith out ASAP
PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:36 am 
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Alot more competitive over there, though. In context of aussie first grade coaches available he's at the top of what you can get I'd imagine.

We really need someone that can get the younger players transferring into first grade and actually make it.






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 Post subject: Re: Smith out ASAP
PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:39 am 
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Emagdnim13 wrote:Alot more competitive over there, though. In context of aussie first grade coaches available he's at the top of what you can get I'd imagine.

We really need someone that can get the younger players transferring into first grade and actually make it.


Agreed, that second bit is critical, how good some of the young players are is still a question to be answered but we have had a lot of false dawns recently

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 Post subject: Re: Smith out ASAP
PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:45 am 
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You're unlikely to get a hugely successful NRL coach coming over here unless they are back end of their career. Correct me if i'm wrong but none of Saints recent coaches from NRL were viewed as top tier from a success point of view when they came over.

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 Post subject: Re: Problem players
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christopher wrote:I think people are being a bit harsh on Cam, he's an excellent ball playing 13 playing in a poor side


I think he could be a good one but often he is a ball playing loose forward who doesn’t actually pass the ball, which makes him a second rate prop at the moment.

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On last year but he is one of many who needs some strong coaching.
On Saturday I recall Hull props getting at least 3 offloads away when him and Holroyd were jointly involved in the tackle.
As for TH I thought he would really make it when he was young but he was miles off on Saturday and I think he is in the last chance saloon with a new coach

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 Post subject: Re: WHO IS NEXT
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Be a good idea for the mods to merge this thread into the other one.

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 Post subject: Re: Smith out ASAP
PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:53 am 
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Trebor1 wrote:You're unlikely to get a hugely successful NRL coach coming over here unless they are back end of their career. Correct me if i'm wrong but none of Saints recent coaches from NRL were viewed as top tier from a success point of view when they came over.


Success/experience in the NRL doesn’t automatically translate either.

How did Tim Sheens get on?

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 Post subject: Re: Smith out ASAP
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True, there are no guarantees but after Agar / jjb / Furner/ RS there is the belief that GH has repeatedly gone cheap and it hasn't worked.

A big name would restore some confidence and show a change/ intention.

I understand Rowley thoughts and wouldn't be against it but if he's top of the wishlist then it must be a short list






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 Post subject: Re: WHO IS NEXT
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Super exciting press conference that






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 Post subject: Re: Problem players
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Once were Loiners wrote:Is there any natural captain in the squad? Croft doesn't seem to have much of a voice on the field. You can see why being chief playmaker didn't work for him at the Broncos. Frawley would seem to check the right boxes for captain except there's not much evidence he can actually play to any standard.


This is a pretty significant issue within the club as a whole, in my view. RS was a 'hands off' coach in terms of managing what was actually happening on the pitch. That would be less of an issue if you had the likes of JP, Sinfield and Mags on the pitch taking charge of things themselves.

Passive coaching and passive players with no one standing up and marshalling them has made us look and play like wet cardboard cut outs.

I don't really think there is anyone obvious in the squad who could be captain (they are a bad bunch), but Rhys Martin (of them) is one - he plays most weeks, has responsibility for kicking and has played different roles, so has some sense of what is needed. He is also captain for PNG as well (if I remember right) and has played in big games so has that too.

Otherwise, it is a struggle to pick anyone else. They all have massive flaws!

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 Post subject: Re: Smith out ASAP
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christopher wrote:Success/experience in the NRL doesn’t automatically translate either.

How did Tim Sheens get on?


Yep agree. Personally my No1 choice is Rowley, with Holbrook 2nd and Arthur 3rd but i'd be happy with either and Blease has a track record of getting these things right so hopefully we will see us move forward significantly.

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