Yup. With no foundation, we become extremely flaky, and it becomes pretty much impossible to throw the ball around. When that happens, Smith's rugby becomes incredibly boring one man rugby which we are horrible at because the pack is so weak, or we start resorting to extremely gimmicky high risk attacking plays.

I don't think it's a coincidence that two teams that keep winning the division play nothing like us and have real robust forward packs. We can't even do the basics.

I said the exact same thing about 5 years ago when Leeds fans were claiming he was already better than Walmsley.

He’s absolute trash.

It’s becoming increasingly obvious. Sad to say it as I wanted Smith and the team to work out………

Hey, leave him alone ! He’s the only decent prop we’ve got. :

Has anyone ever seen Sangare make more than one meter. It was an all round bad performance again. Six games and in and 33 minutes of playing well .

We should win 4 of the next 5. The spine will start to gel. Mom will get better.
4 proper props plus Goudemand is the way. O’Connor and 2 smallish second rowers doesn’t work

I know some think he's a bit of a mouthpiece for the club, but we can't blame Pete for this one. At least he dresses the part on the press conferences unlike some of the so-called journalists turning up every week.

Sangare 6.33 Metres per carry this season Holroyd 6.11 Mik 7.31 Lisone 7.21

Before we blame all on Smith, can we honestly answer which of our players would get into the Saints team?
Maybe Martin at a push….?

So you don't actually know.

Frustrating thing for me us we have some really good players. Get a few decent set moves designed to get the likes of Newman and Miller and they'll take some stopping. This random off the cuff stuff is not working.

I'm not saying for one minute to go to dull 5 drives and a kick but mix the basics with the off the cuff

We can't do the basics because our forwards are nowhere near the level of physicality of Wigan or sts. Too many small forwards and our bigger forwards are flat track bullies. They collectively shrivel up when opponents get on top.

I worry about how conservative Smith seems to have got with selection as well. Mom on the wing screams fear to me, and has no doubt dented Roberts' confidence for zero benefit. As does dropping Ruan, who has more potential than any of our other back rowers.

Smith needs to show a bit more guts and flexibility IMO. Assuming we're a mile off winning anything this year, let's focus on the next generation. Could Sinfield have done worse than Frawley?