I think people are too defensive of Oledzki. He's not terrible, but he is not and never will be a pack leader. He just doesn't have that mongrel in him. Holroyd could be a big plus but he seems all over the place this season, not helped by injuries.
The other props are worse - Sangare plays like a big pudding, Lisone is the flattest of flat track bullies, and Goudemand isn't big enough. Hudson was a hit and hope signing, and so far a complete dud as backup - not his fault we signed someone who was already injured. After that we've played Donaldson, who is only a prop nowadays because he's too slow for the back row, and he started the first game of the season. Our prop rotation must be close to the worst in the league on paper, let alone when they actually play.
Barrie’s Glass Eye wrote:I actually think celebrating Rob is the part of the reason Rohan should be gone before Leigh. Another dire performance and the subsequent unrest and atmosphere it would cause when we should be celebrating the great man….no thank you. He deserves better imo.
I agree whole heartedly.. The next game should be about celebrating Robs achievements on and off the pitch. The inevitable booing of Rohan the fraud shouldn't be a thing. He needs removing from the premises before the game.
I'm still intrigued Christopher, Jim, leedsbarmyarmy et al, when you were scoffing t the criticism of RS and insisting that we were a much different team to last year, that we're progressing, what on earth were you watching?!
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Seth wrote:I'm still intrigued Christopher, Jim, leedsbarmyarmy et al, when you were scoffing t the criticism of RS and insisting that we were a much different team to last year, that we're progressing, what on earth were you watching?!
Don’t think ‘scoffing’ is fair, i honestly could see improvement at the start of the year, however we have started to go backwards rapidly so it’s clear something is drastically wrong. I’m perfectly happy to accept my faith looks to have been misplaced.
I do however still maintain the overall set up is better than when smith started, but it clearly isn’t manifesting into the first team performances and Smith will ultimately pay the price for that.
Blease has an open goal here to instantly endear himself to the fan base.
The chat on sky after the farse at Hull was Tony Smith saying Rohan should be given more time and I would agree IF there had been an improvement of the basic skills since he took over . But the players he trains are getting worse. Leeds didn't win anything for years but where competitive. And that is the difference. We don't need to win silverware every year but we do need to be in the top 4.
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Smithout wrote:The chat on sky after the farse at Hull was Tony Smith saying Rohan should be given more time and I would agree IF there had been an improvement of the basic skills since he took over . But the players he trains are getting worse. Leeds didn't win anything for years but where competitive. And that is the difference. We don't need to win silverware every year but we do need to be in the top 4.
I thought it was unfair on TS to be honest, he’s not going to go on live TV and criticise his family.
I think 'scoffing' is putting it mildly, there were shades of ridicule at times. The distance between what some though the progress smith was making with the team and where we actually are is monumental. I cant see where we made any visible progress even earlier in the season. Some of the signings have been a disaster too and even miller is way off what we need to be anywhere near the top. Contact extrensions to Sangare, fus and lisone just add insult to the whole sorry mess.
christopher wrote:I thought it was unfair on TS to be honest, he’s not going to go on live TV and criticise his family.
True but sky keep saying Leeds fans don't move on from the golden generation but we have had to. As I said most fans want a competitive team. And we are light years way from that. Not one game in in two years have they put in a good 40 let alone 80. If we where competitive I would have no complaints.
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