Maybe the women's team will coach Frawley and Miller how to kick and Friday won't be so bad

For the good of rugby league Smith needs to succeed with Leeds. If things don’t change Saints ,Warrington and Wigan will dominate the game this season and possibly several more seasons. I think Catalan are in decline so I have discounted them. Huddersfield and HKR are vastly overrated as proved by the poor performances at the weekend. Yet they both managed to beat us which shows how poor we are. The rest of the league are just making up the numbers. As for Hull the recent signings are a complete embarrassment, the downward spiral continues.

Those 3 (Wigan, Warrington, Saints) look well clear of the rest when they are on their game. That Wigan pack is huge. Very envious of it. We remain a long way off them imo.

Bet he's not. Leeds won't replace him mid year unless we're miles off the playoffs.

No result should be a foregone conclusion but hope really is hanging by a thread these days.

Spot on, it’s not rocket science (hate that expression) you build a team around a big powerful and mobile pack. We have under Smith failed to do that.

If I hadnt been so daft with my Gig booking I'dve been on the terraces Friday at Saints.

Not that I think we'll win but just to show weve still got some fight left in us.

I'll have to find somewhere in Liverpool to watch on the telly.

What's annoying about seeing Wigan's pack is that we've needed to beef ours up since 2015 and EVERYBODY could see it.

We used to pretty much only have Oledski who was any good at all, Holroyd was starting to break through but we did add Sangare and Lisone who are much physically bigger than we'd had for a while.

Unfortunately we didn't get that one additional big thing. Holroyd then has been injured yet again/not fully fit and without much pre-season, and Hudson is a project (also re-injured). Our academy prospects seem a couple of years off to me still.

Beyond our big men we are straight into back rowers and we drop off significantly - made worse because our back rowers themselves aren't huge.

You're right with the backrowers, as it's a double edged sword. And with the props, it again shows the madness of letting Walters go and replacing him with Goudemand.

Something for me that I think is a further error is trying to turn Sangare into a starting player, who plays decent minutes. I just don't think that's how to get the best out of him. I think he's best as an impact player of the bench for no more than 20 mins a game. He seemed to have a lot more potential doing that when he first started with us.