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batleyrhino wrote:Stewards clearly not wanting to get involved.

McLaren_Field wrote:I often wonder what sort of personality you'd need to wake up one sunny morning and think, "Hmmm, today seems like a great day to travel to a different city, spend a lot of money over seven hours in a pub until I don't know my own name, pay £28 to go to a rugby match, cause a fight, get arrested and spend the night in a police cell, hey and why don't I take the kids with me too"

Its learned behaviour and they are passing on the skills to the next generation.

thebloodbath wrote:Would you for £6 an hour?

batleyrhino wrote:To break your question down a bit, "would I perform a job that I had been employed to do at a rate I had agreed to accept", yes I would, in fact I pretty much did their job for them at some points, despite having my kids with me.

There are a couple of issues here IMO. The club are responsible for employing people to perform stewarding of the stadium on match day and has a responsibility to their customers to ensure that they can attend the game in a safe environment. This includes ensuring that the stewards are capable of performing the role they are employed to do. The second issue is with the stewards, and that issue is to ensure that they are organised in such a way as to be able to control crowd safety, and deal with any issues as they arise, rather than ignore them and hope that the fans will deal with the situation.

Wasser13 wrote:Before posting rubbish on here, i think you need to find out what actually happened!!!

The fancy dress group was not even in the stadium, one of our group was refused entry to the game because he was deemed to be 'drunk', so they decided to refuse the rest of our group entry!

The only crime we commited was having fun in our fancy dress for someones birthday and it all got blown out of proportion, we was back at the train station for 7pm so dont tar us with the trouble in the North Stand?!

pmh wrote:
If it wasn't your group then I apologise.

McLaren_Field wrote:I suppose there could have been another drunk group of supporters dressed as a rotund fairy, Fred Flintstone and Superman ?

Author:	cod'ead [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:10 am ]
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About eight years ago I had the misfortune to attend a Pies v Hull FC game at the JJB. A group of Hull FC "supporters" had decided that this game would be an ideal prelude to a stag weekend in Blackpool, many of thos attending were also in fancy dress. They were tanked up and at one point managed to get onto the pitch and verbally abuse Hull & Wigan players. A few of us managed to photograph these idiots and the pics were forwarded to the Hull club. The Humberside Sports Policing unit also got involved and the result was a number of "supporters" were banned from the KC. One even had his season pass taken from him while drinking in a KC bar. Banning the culprits was one thing, enforcing it was an entirely different other. It also never prevented these idiots from travelling to away games and continuing their "fun". It is the home club's duty to police their ground and ensure the safety and comfort of all spectators and unless and until a system of sharing details of such idiot "fans" is introduced, there's little to prevent recurrances. Eight years ago we didn't have ASBOs, possibly these incidents could now be covered, preventing the subjects of an ASBO from attending RL games in the future?

Author:	thebloodbath [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:49 am ]
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batleyrhino wrote:Stewards clearly not wanting to get involved. Would you for £6 an hour?

Author:	Remarkable_Rhinos [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:54 am ]
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McLaren_Field wrote:I often wonder what sort of personality you'd need to wake up one sunny morning and think, "Hmmm, today seems like a great day to travel to a different city, spend a lot of money over seven hours in a pub until I don't know my own name, pay £28 to go to a rugby match, cause a fight, get arrested and spend the night in a police cell, hey and why don't I take the kids with me too" Its learned behaviour and they are passing on the skills to the next generation. Terrible isn't it. I have no idea at all how/why anybody could think that would be a good day. Imagine (if you dare!) what the world will be like when these people's kid have kids of their own!

Author:	Wasser13 [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:15 am ]
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Before posting rubbish on here, i think you need to find out what actually happened!!! The fancy dress group was not even in the stadium, one of our group was refused entry to the game because he was deemed to be 'drunk', so they decided to refuse the rest of our group entry! The only crime we commited was having fun in our fancy dress for someones birthday and it all got blown out of proportion, we was back at the train station for 7pm so dont tar us with the trouble in the North Stand?!

Author:	batleyrhino [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:29 am ]
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For clarity, none of the people I referred to in my earlier post were in fancy dress. Well I say they weren't in fancy dress, I think what they were wearing passes as Fashion in East Yorkshire these days...

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Author:	batleyrhino [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:36 am ]
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thebloodbath wrote:Would you for £6 an hour? To break your question down a bit, "would I perform a job that I had been employed to do at a rate I had agreed to accept", yes I would, in fact I pretty much did their job for them at some points, despite having my kids with me. There are a couple of issues here IMO. The club are responsible for employing people to perform stewarding of the stadium on match day and has a responsibility to their customers to ensure that they can attend the game in a safe environment. This includes ensuring that the stewards are capable of performing the role they are employed to do. The second issue is with the stewards, and that issue is to ensure that they are organised in such a way as to be able to control crowd safety, and deal with any issues as they arise, rather than ignore them and hope that the fans will deal with the situation.

Author:	thebloodbath [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:49 am ]
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batleyrhino wrote:To break your question down a bit, "would I perform a job that I had been employed to do at a rate I had agreed to accept", yes I would, in fact I pretty much did their job for them at some points, despite having my kids with me. There are a couple of issues here IMO. The club are responsible for employing people to perform stewarding of the stadium on match day and has a responsibility to their customers to ensure that they can attend the game in a safe environment. This includes ensuring that the stewards are capable of performing the role they are employed to do. The second issue is with the stewards, and that issue is to ensure that they are organised in such a way as to be able to control crowd safety, and deal with any issues as they arise, rather than ignore them and hope that the fans will deal with the situation. In reality though the stewards there were too busy revising their Chaucer. What a 6 foot, skinny, spotty looking dude could have realistically done is a fairer question to ask. Situations like this always come done to numbers and the stewards had no chance, the resources weren't there. Once the police arrived on scene it got handled, eventually. You seem to have got involved at some stage, I had to, which shows the situation was out of control. That is unacceptable.

Author:	Sandro II Terrorista [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:33 am ]
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Wasser13 wrote:Before posting rubbish on here, i think you need to find out what actually happened!!! The fancy dress group was not even in the stadium, one of our group was refused entry to the game because he was deemed to be 'drunk', so they decided to refuse the rest of our group entry! The only crime we commited was having fun in our fancy dress for someones birthday and it all got blown out of proportion, we was back at the train station for 7pm so dont tar us with the trouble in the North Stand?! If you where a member of the group I saw being refused entry then at the very least some of you came very close if not actually causing a breach of the peace. Some of you appeared to be completely drunk and one of your group, a rather rotund women, dressed as some sort of fairy I think, was using extremely abusive language and threatening behaviour towards either a police woman or female steward. Other members of your group were having to be restrained by sheer weight of numbers of the police and stewards, I have no doubt that if there had been less police and stewards then the incident would have been an awful lot more serious. Two of you appeared to be about to be arrested, one dressed as Fred Flintstone I think one of you may have been in hand cuffs, but I'm not sure as we went into the ground. If this was your group then I felt embarrassed to be wearing a Hull KR shirt due to your friends behaviour. If this is your idea of a fun day out then I sincerely hope you find other ways of enjoying your leisure time. May I suggest free climbing on Vaseline smeared rock faces. If it wasn't your group then I apologise.

Author:	McLaren_Field [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:47 am ]
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pmh wrote: If it wasn't your group then I apologise. I suppose there could have been another drunk group of supporters dressed as a rotund fairy, Fred Flintstone and Superman ?

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