FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

  

Home Halifax Panthers Dual Reg hits new low



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 74 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Dual Reg hits new low
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:55 pm 
International Star
Club Captain

Joined: Oct 26 2010
Posts: 4575
griff1998 wrote:We need to go back to every club having a reserve grade club for that to happen.

And I don't think we have enough players for that by a long chalk - short of stripping out the amateur game.


That's exactly how it is along with the fact that some clubs are struggling financially to run their first grade never mind anything else.

If and when the reserve comp gets up and running and is successful and becomes the much needed pathway then maybe in a few years time we might have a good stream of talent who will find their own level to play at.

In the meantime it's very thin on the ground and years of neglect takes years to rectify.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Dual Reg hits new low
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:27 pm 
International Star
Club Captain

Joined: Oct 26 2010
Posts: 4575
Hudd-Shay wrote:There's no reason at all why DR shouldn't go away. If it stays any longer feeder clubs will become the norm for those clubs who don't fold altogether.

It's not going to go away though Hudds.

It's 2019 moving on and RL it's not the game we knew and loved and we either accept the game for what it is now or walk away and I for one totally respect and understand those that do.

Personally I'm still undecided and it will likely come down to whether I enjoy watching it anymore.

If the SL clubs had the power to have some clubs fold and the rest become feeders they would do it now.

As Ian Lenagan said when reducing the funding. Quote: "Who cares about the Championship anyway" and he's not on his own.

As I stated the Championship clubs are all under pressure to either survive or get the results with a top 5 finish.

Fax have run with more of their own team this year than for many a season and look how it's ended up, if it weren't for the cup run we would be screwed financially and may well still be.

Not being in the top 5 with a team that needs rebuilding with no money and several strong sides in the Championship all to compete against with chairmen, directors and coaches who will do whatever it takes to succeed and then Fax saying we won't consider all options is just :CRAZY: and = a club going rapidly down the pan never to return playing straight into the hands of the SL masters.

If you choose option 1. Take our DR players and slowly but surely you have to rely on us to get a team out.

If you choose option 2. Don't take our DR players and slowly but surely you won't have a team to put out or even a club.


Last edited by faxcar on Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Dual Reg hits new low
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:39 pm 
International Star
Club Captain
User avatar

Joined: Nov 05 2011
Posts: 4789
Location: Shuddersfield
faxcar wrote:It's not going to go away though Hudds.

It's 2019 moving on and RL it's not the game we knew and loved and we either accept the game for what it is now or walk away and I for one totally respect and understand those that do.

Personally I'm still undecided and it will likely come down to whether I enjoy watching it anymore.

If the SL clubs had the power to have some clubs fold and the rest become feeders they would do it now.

As Ian Lenagan said when reducing the funding. Quote: "Who cares about the Championship anyway" and he's not on his own.

As I stated the Championship clubs are all under pressure to either survive or get the results with top a top 5 finish.

Fax have run with more of their own team this year than for many a season and look how it's ended up, if it weren't for the cup run we would be screwed financially and may well still be.

Not being in the top 5 with a team that needs rebuilding with no money and several strong sides in the Championship all to compete against with chairmen, directors and coaches who will do whatever it takes to succeed and then Fax saying we won't consider all options is just :CRAZY: and = a club going rapidly down the pan never to return playing straight into the hands of the SL masters.

If you choose option 1. Take our DR players and slowly but surely you have to rely on us to get a team out.

If you choose option 2. Don't take our DR players and slowly but surely you won't have a team to put out or even a club.

That's a depressing read. I hope you're wrong.






Hear All, See All, Say Nowt.
Eat All, Sup All, Pay Nowt.
And if Tha ever does Owt for Nowt,
Allus do it for Thissen.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Dual Reg hits new low
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:33 pm 
International Star
Academy Player

Joined: Dec 09 2012
Posts: 461
Hopefully Championship teams can still take players on loan. But when they do, the players are THEIR players, who train fully with their loan club, and are there on a long term basis.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Dual Reg hits new low
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:46 pm 
International Star
Club Captain

Joined: Oct 26 2010
Posts: 4575
Hudd-Shay wrote:That's a depressing read. I hope you're wrong.

Depressing in deed Hudds.
It will be interesting to see what effect if any, the SL clubs running a reserve side has on DR such as reducing the number of players being offered under that arrangement, as usual it will be the SL clubs that dictate the terms.

If we look back to when the vote was taken regarding the SL clubs getting more of the funding we get an idea of how much some clubs outside SL rely on DR and how much control the SL clubs have over their Championship partners.

Rather than stick together and oppose the reduction many of the Champ and Champ 1 clubs voted for it :shock:

The margin of the vote in favour of the SL clubs came as a big surprise to many experienced RL pundit and it begs the question.

Why would any Champ club vote for something where they would get less?

It was well reported in the RL press that in the days leading up to the vote, fearing they might not win several phone calls were made from SL clubs to their Champ counterparts basically saying “vote against us and you will get no one and nothing from us ever again or from anywhere else in SL.”

This was after Lenagen had made his statement so everyone knew how little they were thought of yet still jumped when they were told to jump.

That’s an even more depressing read. :(

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Dual Reg hits new low
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:18 pm 
International Star
Fringe Player
User avatar

Joined: Sep 27 2014
Posts: 525
Location: Penang Malaysia
Fax car, spot on. It seems people have been hoodwinked by (mr) Lennigan and his two faced speel .






My Humble Opinion Only - let the knockers begin.


Part quote from The Beggars Littany by John Taylor circa 16C

From Hell,Hull and Halifax may the Good Lord deliver us.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Dual Reg hits new low
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:45 am 
Club Coach
International Star
User avatar

Joined: Feb 18 2005
Posts: 9530
If its any consolation Hudds, all teams in the reserve leagues will be under an obligation to fulfil fixtures which will have a serious affect on the number of players that go on a DR move. Added to that players coming back through injury are also likely to get a run in the reserves rather than been sent on DR. It probably won't affect the teams that only take 1 or 2 players every now and again but the heavy users will feel the full force of it.







"Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."― Albert Einstein


"Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense." ― Gertrude Stein


"Don't believe everything you read on the internet" ― Abraham Lincoln

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Dual Reg hits new low
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:21 am 
Club Captain
Fringe Player

Joined: Nov 20 2017
Posts: 978
Greg Florimos Boots wrote:If its any consolation Hudds, all teams in the reserve leagues will be under an obligation to fulfil fixtures which will have a serious affect on the number of players that go on a DR move. Added to that players coming back through injury are also likely to get a run in the reserves rather than been sent on DR. It probably won't affect the teams that only take 1 or 2 players every now and again but the heavy users will feel the full force of it.
Yes very much a positive there,providing our application to join is accepted.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Dual Reg hits new low
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:39 am 
International Star
Fringe Player
User avatar

Joined: Sep 16 2010
Posts: 714
Greg Florimos Boots wrote:If its any consolation Hudds, all teams in the reserve leagues will be under an obligation to fulfil fixtures which will have a serious affect on the number of players that go on a DR move. Added to that players coming back through injury are also likely to get a run in the reserves rather than been sent on DR. It probably won't affect the teams that only take 1 or 2 players every now and again but the heavy users will feel the full force of it.


GFB,

I get where you are coming from, but I don't believe this will be true, especially for the SL sides that already have Reserve sides. Even the ones that don't have reserves all ready will automatically have 2 years worth of academy players available to them next year, because of the change in age group, going from under 19s to under 18s for academies means that players in their last two years of the academy set up will automatically fill the majority of the player roster in the reserves. On top of this most SL first team squads are in the region of 26-28 players so leaves a significant number of players, about 4-5 (assuming that most clubs are running with 4-6 injuries at any one time) that are not getting game time with the first team. Then given that the reserves, to begin with will mainly be 19/20 year old youngsters, SL clubs will probably look to still utilise DR and loans for these players to get game time in the Championship which will generally be a higher grade of rugby than the reserves. This becomes even more true for sides that already have reserve sides.

This partly answers the question Griff asks about where the players are coming from. As an example Castleford have an academy of 24 players from this year, I suspect that that 2/3rds of those will be over age for an under 18s comp next year (if not more), meaning that they will already have a core of 16+ players for the reserves team next year, therefore only need to supplement these with another 7 or so players. Meaning that across the sides without a reserve side currently the SL sides will need to find in the region of 40-60 players rather than 200+ to make up the reserves comp. Beware SL clubs coming to raid Fax/Fev/Keighley/Bulls reserves as well as the armature game for these additional players.

Personally I would like to think that your assessment is true and DR will wither on the vine, but somehow I don't doubt it.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Dual Reg hits new low
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:00 pm 
International Star
Club Captain

Joined: Oct 26 2010
Posts: 4575
"[Part quote="FevGrinder"]GFB,

I get where you are coming from, but I don't believe this will be true, especially for the SL sides that already have Reserve sides. Even the ones that don't have reserves all ready will automatically have 2 years worth of academy players available to them next year, because of the change in age group, going from under 19s to under 18s for academies means that players in their last two years of the academy set up will automatically fill the majority of the player roster in the reserves. On top of this most SL first team squads are in the region of 26-28 players so leaves a significant number of players, about 4-5 (assuming that most clubs are running with 4-6 injuries at any one time) that are not getting game time with the first team. Then given that the reserves, to begin with will mainly be 19/20 year old youngsters, SL clubs will probably look to still utilise DR and loans for these players to get game time in the Championship which will generally be a higher grade of rugby than the reserves. This becomes even more true for sides that already have reserve sides.
"

So if I am reading it correctly FG, for the SL clubs second choice, fringe, coming back from injury etc players it will still be DR as the best option.

For their so called "reserve sides" they will be third choice largely younger players who in the near future as they get older will become first team, first choice players, second choice, fringe, coming back from injury etc DR or move on for a more permanent deal at their level players.

If that's the case then rather than reducing the number of DR players, having a full reserve grade set up among other things will increase the number of DR players coming available. :(

Top
   
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 74 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next





It is currently Thu Dec 05, 2024 9:51 pm


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ckt2487 and 106 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


It is currently Thu Dec 05, 2024 9:51 pm
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
13m
IMG scores
Shifty Cat
277
20m
Accounts
Tony Fax
154
52m
Transfer Talk V5
Emagdnim13
563
Recent
Film game
Boss Hog
6024
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Chris71
4076
Recent
All time academy produced Super league era side
MjM
3
Recent
Shirt reveal coming soon
vastman
62
Recent
2025 Kits
Liam666
33
Recent
2025 Kit
Bullseye
22
Recent
Forget-me-not Childrens hospice
H.G.S.A
1
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
34s
2025 Kits
Liam666
33
1m
Salford
rubber ducki
72
1m
Shirt reveal coming soon
vastman
62
2m
Wigan warriors 2022 away shirt
WWste
4
2m
Accounts
Tony Fax
154
3m
Jerome Luai
Zig
21
3m
2025 Season tickets
Bully_Boxer
30
4m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40865
6m
Captains Challenge for Televised Games in 2025
Armavinit
2
7m
Refs referring it to video as a try or not
Warrior Wing
54
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Forget-me-not Childrens hospice
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
All time academy produced Super league era side
MjM
3
TODAY
Wigan warriors 2022 away shirt
WWste
4
TODAY
Captains Challenge for Televised Games in 2025
Cokey
3
TODAY
Captains Challenge to be introduced in 2025
Zig
8
TODAY
Rule Changes
Rugby Raider
5
TODAY
Player Contracts
Trojan Horse
4
TODAY
Fans Forum 12 Dec 11th
Dunkirk Spir
3
TODAY
Laurie Daley returns as NSW origin coach
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
2025 Challenge Cup
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Challenge Cup
BigTime
6
TODAY
Friendlies
Deadcowboys1
3
TODAY
Sam Luckley likely to miss the beginning of new season
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Frankie Halton sign new deal
ColD
2
TODAY
Transfer chatter for 2025 - New Dec 1st tamper date
HU8HFC
29
TODAY
Trinity shop Sunday opening
phe13
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield - St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
13m
IMG scores
Shifty Cat
277
20m
Accounts
Tony Fax
154
52m
Transfer Talk V5
Emagdnim13
563
Recent
Film game
Boss Hog
6024
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Chris71
4076
Recent
All time academy produced Super league era side
MjM
3
Recent
Shirt reveal coming soon
vastman
62
Recent
2025 Kits
Liam666
33
Recent
2025 Kit
Bullseye
22
Recent
Forget-me-not Childrens hospice
H.G.S.A
1
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
34s
2025 Kits
Liam666
33
1m
Salford
rubber ducki
72
1m
Shirt reveal coming soon
vastman
62
2m
Wigan warriors 2022 away shirt
WWste
4
2m
Accounts
Tony Fax
154
3m
Jerome Luai
Zig
21
3m
2025 Season tickets
Bully_Boxer
30
4m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40865
6m
Captains Challenge for Televised Games in 2025
Armavinit
2
7m
Refs referring it to video as a try or not
Warrior Wing
54
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Forget-me-not Childrens hospice
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
All time academy produced Super league era side
MjM
3
TODAY
Wigan warriors 2022 away shirt
WWste
4
TODAY
Captains Challenge for Televised Games in 2025
Cokey
3
TODAY
Captains Challenge to be introduced in 2025
Zig
8
TODAY
Rule Changes
Rugby Raider
5
TODAY
Player Contracts
Trojan Horse
4
TODAY
Fans Forum 12 Dec 11th
Dunkirk Spir
3
TODAY
Laurie Daley returns as NSW origin coach
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
2025 Challenge Cup
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Challenge Cup
BigTime
6
TODAY
Friendlies
Deadcowboys1
3
TODAY
Sam Luckley likely to miss the beginning of new season
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Frankie Halton sign new deal
ColD
2
TODAY
Transfer chatter for 2025 - New Dec 1st tamper date
HU8HFC
29
TODAY
Trinity shop Sunday opening
phe13
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!












.