Some observations - We lacked quality in the halves



1. JWH was a try - Brown's was a margin call at best. Significant momentum swing.

2. Broke them a few times but couldn't convert.

3. Fev were missing a few but crucially, they still had their 1,6,7 and 9.

4. Our last play options were dire, coupled with ill-discipline meant we couldn't really establish any form of territory or pressure.

5. Do we ever attack down Worthington's edge?

6. I think Barber is a very skilful player but I'm not convinced he is a centre. Lacks pace.

7. Crucial period in the season. In the next 8 games, we SHOULD be winning at least 7 if not all 8, if we want to be really finishing in the Top 4.

Forgot to add, going into the game, for us to be competitive was my hope and I think we did that. Grix is probably proving me wrong at the moment as I really thought he had lost it after the showing at Oldham. All things being equal, we should continue to improve.

Im not sure which was funnier, Tom Grant's performance or Lawrence Turners.





Im only kidding about the ref it was defo Lawrence Turner's I mean what was he thinking. End of the day you do not speak to your customers like they are something that you just trod in. He has made a complete ass of himself no matter what his intensions, it looks like he needs to keep himself up in his cushty little box where he can flout any covid rules he likes and stay away from the real people.



On to the game I just thought Fev had that little bit extra quality which they should have given the size of their squad and their likely spend compared to ours. The Woody try will be an interpretation rule as he deffo looked short to begin with. A couple more went against us but at the end of the day we struggled to break them down and our halves looked poor, when we did break them down in what should have been an easy try instead of been 8-6 up we were 12-2 behind 2 plays later.



listening to Grix's interview after its going to mean the return of Scott Grix next week because apparently we lacked a leader although I thought we lacked a leader when he has played but hey ho. Woody will no doubt be dropped despite showing some of his best form that he has for Fax or at least moved in the halves where he has never really shown much for us. Robinson is probably going to miss anyway so that probably helps Grix decision but we are crying out for some quality in those 2 positions. Another ridiculous decison dropping Burrough because he didn't have the best of games up at Newcastle, yesterday would have been just the sort of game for him. We saw how much space Moore got and Burrough is twice as quick as him so once again it just seems a very random decision.



Big games coming up now like has been said. We must win the majority of them to be thinking about the top 6.

At first when all the shouting was going on up at the back I didn't realize it was LT involved until seeing some of it on Facebook and as you say Greg some of what was said such as calling one of your own supports an idiot / thick on several occasions isn't the way to go.

As one of the other Fax fans said to him "it's all right you talking about social distancing when your stood shouting at someone when your not wearing a mask yourself" after which he had to walk away.

It just shows the pressure the guys on the BOD are under because on LT 's side he also said (not all of which can be heard on the recording) something on the lines off " I / we (the other members of the BOD) are trying to save the club and get the ground opened up so you can come in, CMBC are watching the behavior and there's all this loud singing and chanting and close contact which they and thus the club has asked you not to do for every bodies sake in the current climate and your not doing it, even now your not listening, I can't deal with idiots.



Tom Grant has had issues taking some stick from the Fax faithful in the recent past, a couple of years ago I was in the East Stand and he was having what Fax thought was a real mare.

At one point this chap in front of me jumped up and shouted "that's my son out there who you lot are slagging off, he's doing is best".

Well that made it worse as you can well imagine, comments like "yes he's a real credit to the family and when we find out who his real dad is we'll tell him and "well when you get home give your misses a real slap for giving birth to him" etc etc so it's probably discussed within the family and left a scar or too.



Woody's no try, as before, definitely just short, my instant live reaction was he's in......oh Woody your short..... all you had to do was just that extra stretch and not oh ref you cheating "B".

I saw it clear from above with no obstructions and there was just about an inch of grass between the ball and line and my misses independently of me said the same thing at the same time "oh just short".

(On an Edit after watching it back from a different angle I can see it grounded just short and then what looks like the ball rolling forward onto the line with a hand still on it before it comes free, so tough one for Fax avoiding a 12 point swing if it had been given but if it had gone to the video ref it could have been chalked off for obstruction because of the collision between Hewitt and Holmes just before the touch down.)



Fev did have that bit extra, were on it in defense and looked a bit more fluent as a team which considering that 13 won't have played together that much .........and I called it as Fev by 2 scores and it was.



I think we did test them and if having a few more calls go our way and the resulting possession could have got us something we'll never know.



Disappointing Borough didn't start but you can't go with two small guys on the bench and once Ollie was included he took that slot, I think it did show in Brandon later in the game when he couldn't scoot out of dummy half as the fatigue set in.



Next week i'll go with Scott back in, Olllie into the halves.

Was just going to start a topic on Mr Turner. Wasn’t at the game but saw the posts on social media. They did not look good at all (admittedly, any slant can be put on things with social media).



There did appear to be some arrogance and contempt for the fan(s). Where does he go from here? A poorly worded/badly spelled press release? An attack on the fans? Brushing it under the carpet? Or does he fall on his sword? Either way, we’re knackered cos I can’t see any saviour rushing in to rescue the club……

Crucial point Freddie, off the field the BOD have and are working their butts off and there is no one else waiting in the wings. and for the first game back after 14 months yesterdays PR performance



These are the facts if they go the club goes.



If they stay it will take time before we can compete with the clubs that are financially better off than us off the field.



It will take time before we can pay for the better players so we can compete with those same clubs on the field.



For the first game back after 14 months yesterdays PR performance could have gone better, the fans with CMBC and LT's response with the fans.

Sorry, what's the issue with LT? Wasn't at the game - not even in the country. Don't make yourself libelous if wish to let me know.

To be fair, watching it back again and reading comments. Seems LT was trying to deal with any issue with rule breaking with one eye on Calderdale council keeping the shay open and ensuring income. Got heated on both sides. I could be wrong though

I cant disagree with any of that i will leave the LT incident alone for now i was stood about 10 yards away and i think you summed it up pretty well with what happened. As for the game i thought it would be a high scoring game but i got that wrong defences were on top i thought we held our own pretty well in the forwards and was surprised to see bourough not in the side i think he could of caused fev a lot of problems around the ruck with is pace and direct running something i think moore lacks he seems to want to run threw men rather than in to space and there was some space in that area fev seemed to defend tight out wide and rushed in to shut plays down which they did really well and we didn't take the right options at the right times giving short balls when we should have gone wide and vice verse that for me was the difference between the sides when fev moved the ball it looked crisp and threatening were we seemed indecisive and our ball players seemed hesitant in what they did they didn't have the same conviction in there plays and you will struggle to have much joy against a good defence like fevs playing like that harris inparticular looked to lack confidence he seems to be defending better but is attack seems to lack conviction i thought russell did play with conviction until he got hit late by davies a player who i rate very highly is left arm was just hanging by his side and he struggled with that for the rest of the game hopefully he can shake it of for next week as for the ref i think the penalty count was 10-3 in fevs favour weather that was justified or not i think good refs should be seen but not heard ie not the centre of attention the game isn't about them but some of them do seem to enjoy the attention as for the top six the margin for error gets tighter by the week the pressure is on grix to delver and the players

Just listened to the post-game interviews with Grix, I thought you guys played pretty well overall and it was a good contest but Grix has kind of thrown Harris and Woodburn Hall under the bus there hasn't he, think you're going to see his brother back at full back soon for sure.

The life of a chairman can be lonely and thankless. I can understand why LT was frustrated. An unprecedented year spent sorting out the old boards mess , and marching through the pandemic. Endless meetings with akward Cmbc. You finally get a game with spectators and within minutes " idiots" ignore the rules because they think they know better and it starts unravelling . It's at that point that other members of the board should have stepped up and helped lawrence out of the hole he was digging rather than disappear to their own social media keyboards . Lawrence will now know who is rowing the boat with him and who is not. My view is lawrence has the fortitude to recognise how he can improve for the future and also root out any rats that may be still on the ship.

scott as looked better in the couple of games he as played this season but overall is performances since rejoining us in 2019 have shown to me he is not the answer simon seems to think he is and he is good at throwing players under the bus but never taking any blame himself

Other members of the board that were there were polite, courteous, and had people doing what needed to be done. Turner on the other hand was like a Bull chasing a big red rag, there are ways to conduct yourself and that wasn't it. This is at least the second time he has completely misdjudged his audience while dealing with fans. In future maybe its best he leaves things like this to the people that are good at it.

Its a shame really because with Grix at full back we go from having 3 players doing the hard graft to 2 as Grix will very rarely take the ball in and is basically played as another half back and lets face it we wern't exact good when he were in the side were we? We were crying out for a leader in the Bradford and Oldham games so it suggests to me he is not the answer.

By gum! A bit cryptic that is.

All in all Fev probably edged that game, just. We were o.k. but a few mistakes cost us against a very well organised team. On the other hand you could argue, with more than a bit of justification, that a certain Mr Grant has cost Fax four points already this season with yesterday and the bulls game being the ones in question.

Great to be back at The Shay though and hopefully we can get back on't horse next week against Sheffield. Up The Fax! Three Pig's, Ossett White Rat 4.0% Mmm!

with robinson presumably out could he go with grix in the halves and keep woody at fullback me personally playing grix would be a last resort

His tone and language towards fans at fans forums in the past have left a lot to be desired and is foul language on sunday to fans weather they were in the wrong or not was way out of order

Turner out end of

I think he should apologise but don't think he should be removed. I mean who makes up the money he has put in? Its not like the club is rolling in money.

Quote Greg Florimos Boots="Greg Florimos Boots"I think he should apologise but don't think he should be removed. I mean who makes up the money he has put in? Its not like the club is rolling in money.'" Not even issued a statement even though its made the examiner lets be fair he is not going to apologize https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/wes ... m-20718876

Quote Greg Florimos Boots="Greg Florimos Boots"I think he should apologise but don't think he should be removed. I mean who makes up the money he has put in? Its not like the club is rolling in money.'" Not even issued a statement even though its made the examiner lets be fair he is not going to apologize https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/wes ... m-20718876

The fans language is not always great to say the least! As has been posted before I'm sure his total frustration boiled over. If the 'wonderful barmy army' had got their thick skulls together and done as they were asked this would not have taken place. The rules were stated again and again before and during the game but they decided to ignore it. Is like speeding and then moaning about the police when you get caught. They should take the blame and responsibility of their actions. The council would be in their rights to stop supporters attending games and I'm sure the same people who bemoaned Mr Lawrence having a go at them would bemoan the council when it all stems from them not doing as they are asked to do. Bloody idiots in society who refuse to accept responsibility for their own actions.

Up The Panthers. #Support the Chairman

Quote hooligan27="hooligan27"Not even issued a statement even though its made the examiner lets be fair he is not going to apologize https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/wes ... m-20718876'" It should be the idiots at the top of the south stand apologizing.

Quote hooligan27="hooligan27"Not even issued a statement even though its made the examiner lets be fair he is not going to apologize https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/wes ... m-20718876'" It should be the idiots at the top of the south stand apologizing.

Russell didn't deserve a place Sunday, however was guaranteed it as part of the loan agreement.



However, I expect Grix at 1, Woodburn-Hall at 4, Russell at 7 and Barber at 12 for next week.



Woodburn-Hall and Borough can feel a little peeved being moved about to make way for players that haven't earned their way in

He went straight up to individuals in the south stand with no face covering on not maintaining social distancing putting himself and them at risk swearing before they had even said a word and your defending that i have no problem with him doing as he preaches and asking people at least initially in a Seville manner to abide by the rules and then if they don't by all means kick them out but he behaved like a complete hypercritical prat on drugs if only the players could get that fired up