terry silver wrote:Well firstly well done to Widnes you thoroughly deserved that win and in the manner it came too. Also when some people say how hard it can be for players to play on a monday night when they have other jobs i would ask what about the fans. We have to pay to watch the crap like what was produced last night i spent the best part of 4 hours traveling there and back in poor conditions to watch that excuse of a performance we have other things going on in our lives too. As for our short comings the list seems to get longer with each game for me in previous seasons when we have had poor starts our defense as been pretty strong and it as been our attack that as taken time to hit its straps. This year our defense all over the park is very poor and for me that is the most worrying part of our game because ultimately what ever structures you have in place it comes down to attitude and will to win and we seem to be lacking in that area. As for solutions i am hoping we can do what we have done in previous years and come to life and get our season on track but there seems to be more deep seated problems in the team playing like a group of individuals rather then a team little what we do with and without the ball seems to be joined up.

MP wrote:I do think some of the heat on Grix is unfair. You have to remember not only did we lose two centres (one went for the money and one was lazy) but we lost Liam Finn last year and then Scott Grix this year. I appreciate Anthony Irvine is a local lad but he never played a sustained high level of the rugby league around the coaches the Grix’s and Finn will have been around. It was all but signed and sealed for Murrell to join Simon this year but then the club pulled the offer from Murrell. The BoD should take heat for that. With regard to centres if the players aren’t on the market what can you do? We can’t afford any transfer fees and if the players on the market are no better than two wingers you’re between a rock and a hard place.

faxcar wrote:There's a lot involved behind the scenes that aren't known to a lot of us on the outside.

On the theme of potential incoming targets Fax have made good offers to several players and got their man.

On the other hand they have been outbid on several others and not got them which is just how it works, sadly when the club says very little it leaves a void that when things go wrong gets filled with doubt, concern and negativity.

Likewise the same thing happens when the ones we have got either start slow or aren't even getting picked, again, incomes doubt, concern, negativity and even anger especially after a drubbing like that.

Can't go on forever about it but as an example of how things can be potentially miss interpreted take a statement from the BoD that Simon would be backed in the transfer market and would have more money to spend than last year

On the face of it, it may seem that's not the case but is it because they have reneged on their promise.

Or is it that as with all things due to inflation some of the knock down going rates that Ian Croad said he had got some deals on just aren't available this year?

Knowing why helps a lot but not sure if it's realistic to expect that type of information to be revealed by the club?

So we're left with what we do.

Against Widnes they were pretty good, Cas kept Manua and we were Manure.

Greg Florimos Boots wrote:Widnes back down to earth with a bump today. People certainly underestimating just how bad we played against them.