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glee wrote:KPMG are one of the world's largest professional services covering assurance, tax advisory, consulting, financial advisory, actuarial and legal business. No mention of any expertise in the medical field arena though.

glee wrote:I described it as my money because for all the 40 odd years I was working, I was paying my National Insurance stamp every week. I paid it on the assumption that it would provide me and millions of people like me with a decent health service in our old age. I did not expect that money would be paid to accountants and financiers to find ways to worsen our health service.

JerryChicken wrote:You mean that for 40 years you thought that no accountants or financiers ever got involved in the NHS and that maybe it was all just run by matrons ?

Who do you think bought all the beds ?

cod'ead wrote:No!

He probably thought the same as you or I did, 40 years ago when we first started paying tax and NI and we entered into a compact with the government that, so long as we continued with this, we would be cared for when we got ill or too old to work.

Unfortunately a wicked witch came along and convinced us all that we simply couldn't afford this - the "market" had told her so. So she systematically set about dismantling the Social Security system that had been painstakenly built after WW2. She sold us houses that the nation already owned, at knock-down prices, she shut down pits, steelworks and shipbuilding yards and the social cost was "a price worth paying"

You and I ALLOWED this happen

JerryChicken wrote:TJust as a "for instance" there is a huge problem with bed blocking by older citizens with long term problems who need nursing care but not hospital nursing care, you can also add mental conditions to that list - solve that problem by innovative thinking and you'll save the NHS more than £10m.

BobbyD wrote:Houses that could be passed down through family members, year after year, and the upkeep paid for by everyone else.

BobbyD wrote:"She" shut down the pits? Did Wilson have a sex change the country never knew about?

BobbyD wrote:Or are you still in "WAAAAHHHHH....Tories" mode?

BobbyD wrote:You should tell us how you voted to privatise the NHS.

Author:	glee [ Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:58 pm ]
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Have just been told that NHS England have paid KPMG £10 million to provide advice on how to cut beds and close A & Es, something which could affect up to 13 million people, many of whom live in rugby league areas KPMG are one of the world's largest professional services covering assurance, tax advisory, consulting, financial advisory, actuarial and legal business. No mention of any expertise in the medical field arena though.

Author:	Leaguefan [ Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:15 pm ]
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How are they misusing YOUR money? Are you actally funding the NHS from your own resources? To my knowledge the NHS is mainly funded from government funds.

Author:	JerryChicken [ Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:07 pm ]
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glee wrote:KPMG are one of the world's largest professional services covering assurance, tax advisory, consulting, financial advisory, actuarial and legal business. No mention of any expertise in the medical field arena though. They are the acknowledged experts on how to run a business efficiently, they don't have to be medical experts. Just as a "for instance" there is a huge problem with bed blocking by older citizens with long term problems who need nursing care but not hospital nursing care, you can also add mental conditions to that list - solve that problem by innovative thinking and you'll save the NHS more than £10m. Or you could just get the doctors to run the hospitals.

Author:	glee [ Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:14 pm ]
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I described it as my money because for all the 40 odd years I was working, I was paying my National Insurance stamp every week. I paid it on the assumption that it would provide me and millions of people like me with a decent health service in our old age. I did not expect that money would be paid to accountants and financiers to find ways to worsen our health service.

Author:	JerryChicken [ Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:44 pm ]
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glee wrote:I described it as my money because for all the 40 odd years I was working, I was paying my National Insurance stamp every week. I paid it on the assumption that it would provide me and millions of people like me with a decent health service in our old age. I did not expect that money would be paid to accountants and financiers to find ways to worsen our health service. You mean that for 40 years you thought that no accountants or financiers ever got involved in the NHS and that maybe it was all just run by matrons ? Who do you think bought all the beds ?

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Author:	cod'ead [ Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:58 pm ]
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JerryChicken wrote:You mean that for 40 years you thought that no accountants or financiers ever got involved in the NHS and that maybe it was all just run by matrons ? Who do you think bought all the beds ? No! He probably thought the same as you or I did, 40 years ago when we first started paying tax and NI and we entered into a compact with the government that, so long as we continued with this, we would be cared for when we got ill or too old to work. Unfortunately a wicked witch came along and convinced us all that we simply couldn't afford this - the "market" had told her so. So she systematically set about dismantling the Social Security system that had been painstakenly built after WW2. She sold us houses that the nation already owned, at knock-down prices, she shut down pits, steelworks and shipbuilding yards and the social cost was "a price worth paying" You and I watched this happen

Author:	peggy [ Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:21 am ]
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cod'ead wrote:No! He probably thought the same as you or I did, 40 years ago when we first started paying tax and NI and we entered into a compact with the government that, so long as we continued with this, we would be cared for when we got ill or too old to work. Unfortunately a wicked witch came along and convinced us all that we simply couldn't afford this - the "market" had told her so. So she systematically set about dismantling the Social Security system that had been painstakenly built after WW2. She sold us houses that the nation already owned, at knock-down prices, she shut down pits, steelworks and shipbuilding yards and the social cost was "a price worth paying" You and I ALLOWED this happen is what I think you meant to write. In the general sense of your statement people seemed to be happy with the above she was voted in more than once. Personally I don't recall being told that things wouldn't change with the SS system etc.

Author:	BobbyD [ Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:20 pm ]
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cod'ead wrote:No! He probably thought the same as you or I did, 40 years ago when we first started paying tax and NI and we entered into a compact with the government that, so long as we continued with this, we would be cared for when we got ill or too old to work. Unfortunately a wicked witch came along and convinced us all that we simply couldn't afford this - the "market" had told her so. So she systematically set about dismantling the Social Security system that had been painstakenly built after WW2. She sold us houses that the nation already owned, at knock-down prices, she shut down pits, steelworks and shipbuilding yards and the social cost was "a price worth paying" You and I watched this happen Houses that could be passed down through family members, year after year, and the upkeep paid for by everyone else. "She" shut down the pits? Did Wilson have a sex change the country never knew about? Or are you still in "WAAAAHHHHH....Tories" mode? You should tell us how you voted to privatise the NHS.

Author:	BobbyD [ Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:23 pm ]
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JerryChicken wrote:TJust as a "for instance" there is a huge problem with bed blocking by older citizens with long term problems who need nursing care but not hospital nursing care, you can also add mental conditions to that list - solve that problem by innovative thinking and you'll save the NHS more than £10m. My grandmother spent the last 3 months of her life in her own room in Warrington General, unfortunately she could have been on the central reservation of the M62 and wouldn't have known any different. Yet, there she was fed through a drip, attached to some expensive bit of kit while lying in a bed that would have fitted 10 of her in. She should have been left/helped to die months before.

Author:	cod'ead [ Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:45 pm ]
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BobbyD wrote:Houses that could be passed down through family members, year after year, and the upkeep paid for by everyone else. Houses that were built and rented at truly "affordable" rents, not the 80% of "market rent" that currently qualifies as "affordable" BobbyD wrote:"She" shut down the pits? Did Wilson have a sex change the country never knew about? We've been over that old ground before: every single pit that was shut under Wilson was with the agreement of the NUM BobbyD wrote:Or are you still in "WAAAAHHHHH....Tories" mode? Yes, always have been, always will be BobbyD wrote:You should tell us how you voted to privatise the NHS. You'd better tell me sunshine. I probably didn't vote the way you think in 2010

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