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Author:  Mintball [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Never mind blaming the Beeb
According to Cabinet Office papers, Margaret Thatcher was warned about Jimmy Savile, but still kept pushing him for a knighthood.

So, his behaviour was known about at the very top of the tree.

And who did anything about it (apart from inviting him to Chequers for Christmas)?
According to Cabinet Office papers, Margaret Thatcher was warned about Jimmy Savile, but still kept pushing him for a knighthood.

So, his behaviour was known about at the very top of the tree.

And who did anything about it (apart from inviting him to Chequers for Christmas)?
Author:  Lord God Jose Mourinho [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Never mind blaming the Beeb
Mintball wrote:According to Cabinet Office papers, Margaret Thatcher was warned about Jimmy Savile, but still kept pushing him for a knighthood.

So, his behaviour was known about at the very top of the tree.

And who did anything about it (apart from inviting him to Chequers for Christmas)?


Quote:It adds: “Mr Savile is a strange and complex man. He deserves high praise for the lead he offers in giving quiet background help to the sick. But he has made no attempt to deny the accounts in the press about his private life two or three years ago.”

Reports of the time featured boasts from Savile that he had slept with numerous women whilst taking part in charity events


What an absolute scandal. The Prime Minister was aware of newspaper reports that Jimmy Saville had sexual intercourse with women and still felt his raising of millions of pounds for hospitals was worthy of a knighthood. Raising money for hospitals is all well and good, but how can Thatcher ever condone the practice of a man having sex with women?
Mintball wrote:According to Cabinet Office papers, Margaret Thatcher was warned about Jimmy Savile, but still kept pushing him for a knighthood.

So, his behaviour was known about at the very top of the tree.

And who did anything about it (apart from inviting him to Chequers for Christmas)?


Quote:It adds: “Mr Savile is a strange and complex man. He deserves high praise for the lead he offers in giving quiet background help to the sick. But he has made no attempt to deny the accounts in the press about his private life two or three years ago.”

Reports of the time featured boasts from Savile that he had slept with numerous women whilst taking part in charity events


What an absolute scandal. The Prime Minister was aware of newspaper reports that Jimmy Saville had sexual intercourse with women and still felt his raising of millions of pounds for hospitals was worthy of a knighthood. Raising money for hospitals is all well and good, but how can Thatcher ever condone the practice of a man having sex with women?
Author:  Ferocious Aardvark [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Never mind blaming the Beeb
The report you link to indicates only that there were reports of him "sleeping with women". Is there a fundamental problem with this behaviour?

Or have you somehow imposed a link with the benefit of hindsight that, because he "slept with women", he should not have been honoured as this meant he was a paedophile?

I believe that Maggie herself must have slept with Denis at least twice, as they had children. Things might have turned out differently had that shameful behaviour barred her from high public office, but I don't think it really does.
Author:  Mintball [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Never mind blaming the Beeb
I doubt very much that "complex" was meant as an indicator of 'sleeping with women'.

Whether that was code for 'oh, we daren't tell her the real truth' or whether it is simply indicative of one explanation she was given by senior civil servants (there were four rebuttals, apparently) is obviously unclear.

I would, however, very much doubt that there was a tendency of rejecting anyone (male, certainly) for a gong on the basis of heterosexual promiscuity. After all, the English upper classes have hardly been paragons of abstinence and monogamy - or even heterosexual exploring a, if we take into account public schools etc.

I doubt that Mrs T herself was particularly naive.

It has been pointed out a number of times that for someone to have spent so many holidays at Chequers, he must have been vetted by the security services. His own 1974 autobiography made entirely clear that he was abusing his position for sex (and that he was not arrested because the polices were doing the same).

The mainstream media knew - and chose to nothing.

Now, Jerry has previously made some excellent comments on the change in culture in this respect, and I think he's essentially correct.

The point is that the BBC has been made a scapegoat - largely for reason of political agenda - but it is increasingly clear that a great many people, including some in positions of great influence, knew that Savile was "complex", and did nothing. The point is not that 'Thatcher was to blame', or anything as crass as that, but that people in very senior positions knew that something was amiss. And goodness, it's fairly widespread knowledge that Phil the Greek worked his way through the lady's maids and that Andy is not exactly 100% hetero. So again I'd suggest that, unless the 1980s were a sudden time of sexual Puritanism, it was not about consensual sex between adults.
Author:  Dally [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Never mind blaming the Beeb
Apart from a few sportsmen and lollipop ladies it seems to me that it is almost a requirement to be unethical or corrupt on some level to get an award these days. I say that based on numerous examples appearing in the press.
Author:  El Barbudo [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Never mind blaming the Beeb
Ferocious Aardvark wrote:...
I believe that Maggie herself must have slept with Denis at least twice, as they had children. Things might have turned out differently had that shameful behaviour barred her from high public office, but I don't think it really does.

Carol and Mark were/are twins, so once would suffice. :D

Also bear in mind that Thatcher refused to promote Jonathan Aitken because of his shameful behaviour in having "made Carol cry" after their relationship ended.
Author:  Maple Leaf [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Never mind blaming the Beeb
El Barbudo wrote:Carol and Mark were/are twins, so once would suffice. :D

Also bear in mind that Thatcher refused to promote Jonathan Aitken because of his shameful behaviour in having "made Carol cry" after their relationship ended.

Once was more than enough considering what was spawned!
Author:  Mintball [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Never mind blaming the Beeb
So are we suggesting that the UK's first femal PM ushered in (or just happened to be around during) a 1980s sexual Puritanism, as I suggested earlier?
Author:  Lord God Jose Mourinho [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Never mind blaming the Beeb
It was actually The Sun wot did it.

And it was The Sun's article about him picking up chicks while running marathons which was causing the delay in him being honoured.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... eport.html

Personally I think Mintball should be embarrassed by this thread. But I think she's so far over the edge with her bias she won't be.
It was actually The Sun wot did it.

And it was The Sun's article about him picking up chicks while running marathons which was causing the delay in him being honoured.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... eport.html

Personally I think Mintball should be embarrassed by this thread. But I think she's so far over the edge with her bias she won't be.
Author:  Mintball [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Never mind blaming the Beeb
Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:Personally I think Mintball should be embarrassed by this thread. But I think she's so far over the edge with her bias she won't be.


Coming from you that's hilarious. :lol:
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