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Author: | El Barbudo [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:42 pm ] |
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Following Jerry Chicken's post about PubCo's (in the Obama thread), I thought a new thread would be appropriate rather than reply in that thread. How ironic it has all turned out to be. Back in Thatcher's reign, it was decided that brewers' tied pubs should be allowed to sell other beers and not be tied to only selling that brewery's beer. Cue the brewers selling-off their pubs to pubco's (or in the case of Whitbread, converting themselves from a brewer to be chains of restaurants etc and a property company) ... so that now we have ended up with almost the same situation, just that it's not the brewers calling the shots but the pubco's, some of whom are far more keen to squeeze their tenants than the brewers ever were. |
Author: | Ferocious Aardvark [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:47 pm ] | ||||
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Author: | JerryChicken [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:22 pm ] | ||||
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Author: | El Barbudo [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:18 am ] |
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JerryChicken wrote: ... a simple loosening of the beer tie would solve most of the landlords problems but that is as likely a solution as free flights to the moon on Sir Richard Bransons new space ship This is the bit that puzzles me ... the whole idea in the first place was to loosen the beer tie ... and we have ended up with just transferring it from the brewers to the Pubco's. When in London, I often gravitate towards Sam Smith's pubs, where the beer is usually good, the buildings themselves are usually interesting or historic and the prices are way lower than most London establishments (I'm thinking of The Princess Louise on Holborn, The Chandos nr Trafalgar Square, The Yorkshire Grey on Langham St and, if it's not too busy, The Cock on Gt Portland St. ... plus many others) They seem to sell only Sam Smith's branded products, so I'm guessing that they are all managed houses rather than tenanted? |
Author: | JerryChicken [ Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:48 pm ] | ||||
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Author: | JerryChicken [ Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:09 am ] |
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Just an update on this, if you are on Twitter then have a look at #greatBritishpubcoscam and the response to Greg Mulhollands House of Commons speech on the PubCo model, I haven't seen or heard any transcripts of it yet but by all accounts it was a good old rant and contained lots of the evidence of asset stripping that he's been collecting over a few years now. That hashtag also contains this graph which if accurate contains all the explanation you need ... |
Author: | JerryChicken [ Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:23 am ] | ||||
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Author: | El Barbudo [ Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:27 am ] |
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JerryChicken wrote:Just an update on this.... So, Enterprise are depending on selling their pubs to stay afloat? Taking that to its ultimate conclusion, they'd have no pubs and no business. I'm still confused though ... if Enterprise sell a pub, it's still a pub and not necessarily a closed one. |
Author: | JerryChicken [ Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:30 am ] | ||||
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Author: | JerryChicken [ Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:42 am ] |
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El Barbudo wrote:So, Enterprise are depending on selling their pubs to stay afloat? Taking that to its ultimate conclusion, they'd have no pubs and no business. I'm still confused though ... if Enterprise sell a pub, it's still a pub and not necessarily a closed one. Not when a few months later its a Tesco Express (The Queens, Burley Rd) and many other examples. |
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