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Author: | JerryChicken [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:28 pm ] | ||||
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Author: | Andy Gilder [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: So how much are YOU prepared to pay ? |
When this idea was first mooted, I thought it was simplified, sensationalised bollards. I've not seen anything since to suggest differently. Presumably the tax paid will simply be multiplied by the estimated percentage of UK public expenditure in each area to give the figures. How those are then categorised is open to political exploitation. Do you separate out benefits and pensions, or do you lump them together to exaggerate the figure, for example? Presumably the breakdown for the NHS won't show what percentage of your "contribution" is ending up in the hands of private sector shareholders as dividends? |
Author: | JerryChicken [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: So how much are YOU prepared to pay ? |
Andy Gilder wrote: Presumably the tax paid will simply be multiplied by the estimated percentage of UK public expenditure in each area to give the figures. How those are then categorised is open to political exploitation. Do you separate out benefits and pensions, or do you lump them together to exaggerate the figure, for example? Well they haven't done it officially yet but this is what is already happening when the press try to replicate it, The Telegraph quoting the "Welfare" figure as a lifetime contribution and then suggesting that the "average" person will not get that money back in retirement is proof of the ultimate target market for this particular line of propaganda - its another way of blaming five years of recession and slow/no growth on a perceived underclass of "shirkers". What they don't explain in quite so much details is that their lifetime contribution number is pure invention, that it includes pensions and is not just for benefit payments, and that the "average" salary that they used in inventing that figure was £50k, yep, thats pretty much an average salary around these parts - thats a 155 hour week for someone on minimum wage. |
Author: | Dally [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: So how much are YOU prepared to pay ? |
I'm happy to pay whatever I'm asked to so long as it goes to the front-line of need. I am not happy to pay for political ego trips like weapons sysyems and fancy trains. |
Author: | El Barbudo [ Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: So how much are YOU prepared to pay ? |
I'd pay as much as was asked if I knew that everyone was paying their fair whack to ensure that health, housing and education were available to all and that those in need were being fairly treated in my estimation. I'd pay more than now to achieve that. Tax is a civilising fund. |
Author: | DaveO [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: So how much are YOU prepared to pay ? |
Perhaps there is an opportunity here to "reverse engineer" this to show how little some things do actually cost us? I already did this kind of thing some time ago when looking into the cost to the taxpayer of funding University tuition. People paid a very small amount of their tax toward that so the low paid actually paid next to nothing per year (and the government spin implied they were virtually paying all the students fees). So in a similar way perhaps the Labour party could, when being taken to task on spending use a similar mechanism to point out just how little some things actually cost. With more realistic figures they could also point out how little some of the cuts will actually save and so use that to point out they are politically rather than economically motivated. Unfortunately I doubt they will because at the moment they seem to let the Tories set the agenda and so it's all about who can cut the most rather than using figures like these to argue against them. One thing that is not clear to me on glancing the article. Tax income for the government doesn't just come from income tax. So it would be interesting to know how things like reducing corporation tax down to 21% affects how much more personal income tax is required to fund the welfare state. |
Author: | Andy Gilder [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: So how much are YOU prepared to pay ? |
I wonder what percentage of the UK's weekly Jobseekers Allowance costs would have been covered by the interest and penalties that Dave Hartnett unilaterally decided to waive for Goldman Sachs? |
Author: | El Barbudo [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: So how much are YOU prepared to pay ? |
Andy Gilder wrote:I wonder what percentage of the UK's weekly Jobseekers Allowance costs would have been covered by the interest and penalties that Dave Hartnett unilaterally decided to waive for Goldman Sachs? ... or Vodafone, whose tax bill he arbitrarily slashed, even after the court judgement that they should pay up the full £6bn. Vodafone's auditors were Deloitte. Dave Hartnett now works for Deloitte. Pure coincidence, obviously. |
Author: | Dally [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: So how much are YOU prepared to pay ? |
Clearly Ed Balls isn't prepared to pay much. He's talking about capping state pensions. Clearly, 2 Eds are scared stiff of getting into power and are intent on ensuring Labour are wiped out in 2015. |
Author: | El Barbudo [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: So how much are YOU prepared to pay ? |
Dally wrote:Clearly Ed Balls isn't prepared to pay much. He's talking about capping state pensions... Is he? I heard him say they'd cap the total welfare bill within which pensions would be included. He might cap pensions, I don't know, he hasn't said... has he? |
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