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Do you remember the close-up of the tearful German lady at Euro 2012 when her team was facing defeat? Zoomed in during the live broadcast after Balotelli got his second? Well - she wasn't. It was fake. The director had inserted a clip of her shedding a tear during the national anthems, and decided to keep it up his sleeve as a stock shot of a crying German. Guardian blog story
And it turns out that footage of German coach Joachim Loew playfully stealing a ball from a ballboy was a fake too, inserted from a recorded incident.
I had no idea this went on. Is this fair game? To me, when I'm watching a live sports outside broadcast, I want to see just that. Did you know directors were giving us augmented "reality" like this? How often does it go on? Do BBC do it? Sky? Also, it not only presents a fake story to the viewer, but lies about the (easily identifiable and now identified) individual, and cynically and deliberately uses them to "enhance" the fakery that the director wants to manufacture. Can she sue them? I hope so and that she does.
Do you remember the close-up of the tearful German lady at Euro 2012 when her team was facing defeat? Zoomed in during the live broadcast after Balotelli got his second? Well - she wasn't. It was fake. The director had inserted a clip of her shedding a tear during the national anthems, and decided to keep it up his sleeve as a stock shot of a crying German. Guardian blog story
And it turns out that footage of German coach Joachim Loew playfully stealing a ball from a ballboy was a fake too, inserted from a recorded incident.
I had no idea this went on. Is this fair game? To me, when I'm watching a live sports outside broadcast, I want to see just that. Did you know directors were giving us augmented "reality" like this? How often does it go on? Do BBC do it? Sky? Also, it not only presents a fake story to the viewer, but lies about the (easily identifiable and now identified) individual, and cynically and deliberately uses them to "enhance" the fakery that the director wants to manufacture. Can she sue them? I hope so and that she does.
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Ferocious Aardvark wrote:Can she sue them? I hope so and that she does.
Under UK law an individual has no right to privacy when in a public place but does have the right not to mis-represented.
I don't know where she was when the original shot was taken so can't comment on the public or private nature of the location but she could well argue that she couldn't care less about football and was therefore mis-represented.
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TV manipulation hasn't taken off as a sport in its own right yet, but it will. Stage management ... we have the technology why not use it if it enhances the product? It's a sign of the times.
The cynical side of me needs a lie down.
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Ferocious Aardvark wrote:Do you remember the close-up of the tearful German lady at Euro 2012 when her team was facing defeat? Zoomed in during the live broadcast after Balotelli got his second? Well - she wasn't. It was fake. The director had inserted a clip of her shedding a tear during the national anthems, and decided to keep it up his sleeve as a stock shot of a crying German.
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LeedsBornWelshRoots wrote:Under UK law an individual has no right to privacy when in a public place but does have the right not to mis-represented.
Is a football stadium a public place? I have no doubt that there will have been T&C's covering being filmed but as you say they shouldn't mis-represent her actions.
Ferocious Aardvark wrote:Do you remember the close-up of the tearful German lady at Euro 2012 when her team was facing defeat? Zoomed in during the live broadcast after Balotelli got his second? Well - she wasn't. It was fake. The director had inserted a clip of her shedding a tear during the national anthems, and decided to keep it up his sleeve as a stock shot of a crying German. Guardian blog story
And it turns out that footage of German coach Joachim Loew playfully stealing a ball from a ballboy was a fake too, inserted from a recorded incident.
I had no idea this went on. Is this fair game? To me, when I'm watching a live sports outside broadcast, I want to see just that. Did you know directors were giving us augmented "reality" like this? How often does it go on? Do BBC do it? Sky? Also, it not only presents a fake story to the viewer, but lies about the (easily identifiable and now identified) individual, and cynically and deliberately uses them to "enhance" the fakery that the director wants to manufacture. Can she sue them? I hope so and that she does.
It's been going on for years. Remember Leroy Rivett scoring all those tries at Wembley.....?
Ferocious Aardvark wrote:Do you remember the close-up of the tearful German lady at Euro 2012 when her team was facing defeat? Zoomed in during the live broadcast after Balotelli got his second? Well - she wasn't. It was fake. The director had inserted a clip of her shedding a tear during the national anthems, and decided to keep it up his sleeve as a stock shot of a crying German. Guardian blog story
And it turns out that footage of German coach Joachim Loew playfully stealing a ball from a ballboy was a fake too, inserted from a recorded incident.
I had no idea this went on. Is this fair game? To me, when I'm watching a live sports outside broadcast, I want to see just that. Did you know directors were giving us augmented "reality" like this? How often does it go on? Do BBC do it? Sky? Also, it not only presents a fake story to the viewer, but lies about the (easily identifiable and now identified) individual, and cynically and deliberately uses them to "enhance" the fakery that the director wants to manufacture. Can she sue them? I hope so and that she does.
It's been going on for years. Remember Leroy Rivett scoring all those tries at Wembley.....?
Joined: Feb 17 2002 Posts: 28357 Location: MACS0647-JD
LeedsBornWelshRoots wrote:Under UK law an individual has no right to privacy when in a public place but does have the right not to mis-represented. ...
It was in Poland, of course. A football stadium is very far from a public place. It's why you may expect to pay at least a pound for a ticket (sometimes more) and by buying it, you are forced to accept exhaustive and stringent T&Cs.
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Next time you are watching a one on one interview, I'll guarantee you there will be a couple of shots, taken slightly off centre of the interviewer with an interested look on her face, nodding her head in agreement with a point being made by the interviewee.
"Noddies" are filmed prior to interview, and can be inserted at any time.
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rumpelstiltskin wrote:Next time you are watching a one on one interview, I'll guarantee you there will be a couple of shots, taken slightly off centre of the interviewer with an interested look on her face, nodding her head in agreement with a point being made by the interviewee.
"Noddies" are filmed prior to interview, and can be inserted at any time.
TBF though that's news programs, where we know (a) it's mostly pure fiction and (b) the interviewee is almost certainly lying
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rumpelstiltskin wrote:Next time you are watching a one on one interview, I'll guarantee you there will be a couple of shots, taken slightly off centre of the interviewer with an interested look on her face, nodding her head in agreement with a point being made by the interviewee.
"Noddies" are filmed prior to interview, and can be inserted at any time.
When pre-recorded interviews are filmed I think the questions are all filmed in a block together and the answers are all filmed together and then "merged" together.
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