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| Quote Dally="Dally"Maybe because the Catholic church in Britain existed long before the IRA?'"
Ah, I see, Islam is new, is it?
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| Quote El Barbudo="El Barbudo"Ah, I see, Islam is new, is it?'"
It is to any extent within the UK.
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| Quote El Barbudo="El Barbudo"Ah, I see, Islam is new, is it?'"
It is, comparatively speaking.
Especially in the UK.
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| Quote Dally="Dally"It is to any extent within the UK.'"
Its Wikipedia, but the first sentence [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_Kingdomhere[/url would suggest otherwise.
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| Quote WormInHand="WormInHand"Fully agree. The behaviour of the bystanders isn't normal. Who in their right mind would stand calmly and film a murderer who they've just witnessed hack and behead someone with machetes with the blood still dripping from his hands? You'd be scared less and terrifed of him, trembling and cowering, not standing calmly capturing the moment within arm's length of the psychopath surely? Those women protecting the victim from further attack while the police wait round the corner for twenty minutes, saying there's nothing they can do until armed back-up arrive? Wtf?
People mingling around the body that's just been separated from his head?? That they've just witnessed in the most horrific way first hand? Far from hanging around to socialise with the maniacs still present wouldn't any sane person have actually just run like hell?
Very, very strange.'"
Given that murderous attacks in open daylight are not (presently) the norm on the UK high-street, please, enlighten us as to what the 'normal' response to a situation like this is?
Would you prefer it if there was mass panic with people running around screaming? 
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| Quote El Barbudo="El Barbudo"Ah, I see, Islam is new, is it?'"
Islam is newer than Christianity and much newer than Judaism.
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| Quote Dally="Dally"It is to any extent within the UK.'"
You need to read a bit of history.
You also need to recognise that mainstream Islam in the UK has condemned this dreadful attack.
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| Newer does not equal "new" though
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"And the EDL response?
[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/23/woolwich-attack-anti-muslim-reprisalsEDL battle police in Woolwich[/url
I wonder if the idiot in Braintree will be charged with terrorist offences, after entering a mosque with a knife and petrol bomb?'"
You forgot a very important word in your post, alleged.
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"Islam is newer than Christianity and much newer than Judaism.'"
Not the point.
The IRA is much younger than Catholicism, Al Quaeda is much younger than Islam.
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| Quote El Barbudo="El Barbudo"Not the point.
The IRA is much younger than Catholicism, Al Quaeda is much younger than Islam.'"
The IRA and Al Quaeda are not religions, they are terrorist groups.
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"The IRA and Al Quaeda are not religions, they are terrorist groups.'"
The point is that the actions of the IRA didn't cause people to attack Catholic churches, so why should the actions of Al Qaeda cause people to attack mosques?
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"I think you need to take your patronising tone and stick it up your backside, actually ...'"
Irony alert.
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| Quote Chris28="Chris28"I don't recall Catholic churches being attacked when the IRA were setting bombs off in London/Warrington etc. Maybe this lot have got the wrong end of the stick'"
Thinking? That would involve having more than two braincells
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"The IRA and Al Quaeda are not religions, they are terrorist groups.'"
Quite so.
And that is the feckin point.
If you didn't blame Catholicism for the dreadful acts of the IRA, why blame Islam in general for the acts of Al Quaeda or other extremists?
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| Quote El Barbudo="El Barbudo"Quite so.
And that is the feckin point.
If you didn't blame Catholicism for the dreadful acts of the IRA, why blame Islam in general for the acts of Al Quaeda or other extremists?'"
Where am I blaming Islam for the actions of extremists? I'm doing quite the opposite. I'm not even blaming government policy (as someone else was). I'm blaming the terrorists. Only the terrorists are to blame for acts of terrorism, regardless of the cause they identify with.
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"The IRA and Al Quaeda are not religions, they are terrorist groups.'"
Good. So no justification for bricking a mosque then.
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| Quote Rock God X="Rock God X"The point is that the actions of the IRA didn't cause people to attack Catholic churches, so why should the actions of Al Qaeda cause people to attack mosques?'"
I doubt very much that Catholic churches went completely unscathed in Northern Ireland throughout the troubles. They may have done but I would be very surprised. However, I would have to read up a detailed history of events to find out whether they were attacked as I didn't live in Northern Ireland.
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| Quote Chris28="Chris28"Good. So no justification for bricking a mosque then.'"
I didn't say there was.
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"I doubt very much that Catholic churches went completely unscathed in Northern Ireland throughout the troubles. They may have done but I would be very surprised. However, I would have to read up a detailed history of events to find out whether they were attacked as I didn't live in Northern Ireland.'"
I'm not talking about churches in NI. Churches in England weren't attacked in response to terrorist acts on the mainland.
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"I didn't say there was.'"
I know, but you seemed to be missing the point that was being made about Al Qaeda and Islam
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| Quote Rock God X="Rock God X"I'm not talking about churches in NI. Churches in England weren't attacked in response to terrorist acts on the mainland.'"
No, but that is because in England the IRA was largely seen as a nationalist organisation and not a religious one.
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| Quote Chris28="Chris28"I know, but you seemed to be missing the point that was being made about Al Qaeda and Islam'"
Then maybe you could rephrase the point?
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| Quote Dally="Dally"Well, Essex man was first to reject Labour and turn to Thatcher for the sake of the country. Maybe Essex man could be the saviour of the UK again?'"
This reads like a justification for attacking that mosque.
Please tell me it isn't.
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