No, im not. Im not saying anything even close to people needing to be charged before they are arrested. im saying there is a difference between arrest and forcible extradition and detention and the standard and need for proof should be higher because the effect of forcible extradition and detention on someone we are supposed to presume is innocent is much greater.

No you are suggesting that a decision to charge should already have been made before the suspect is arrested, as the decision to charge is necessary for a trial to be held.

No, im not.

Really?

Well then, if you have such great understanding, why are you claiming that it would be "immoral" for him to be sent back to Sweden to face a judicial process that is at advanced stage?

This is one of the tenets of the faithful – and in it, the two women have become unimportant, just as Bradley Manning was/is to St Julian the sociopath.

PS: he's a free-market capitalist, BTW, not some arch revolutionary. It's one of the ironies of some on the left wetting their knickers over him.

yes. The second occurs when the suspect has fled the jurisdiction of the court and police authorities to prevent the first happening

And, of course, there was a very simple course open to Assange to avoid the forcible extradition and detention following the European Arrest Warrent - simply return to Sweden under his own steam and clear his name, in a trial if necessary.

Because i dont think the necessary evidence has been shown to justify forcible extradition and detention.

You are being silly. It is sad that we dont catch all rapists, its terrible that so many get away with it. But nobody, even rape victims, benefits from innocent people being punished.
Our attempts to bring justice for rape victims are only undermined by us punishing innocent people as we presume Assange is, or we are supposed to presume he is.

No, the second occurs when the suspect is in a different jurisdiction. Your criteria arent pre-requisites.

And obviously you know better than three different courts and goodness know how many lawyers, including people like David Allen Green.



in which case, nobody will ever be extradited if they have not already been tried.

Jebus effing wept.

And you call me "silly".

Oh, BTW, did you catch the bit about that bastion of free speech, Ecuador, preparing to send back to that other bastion of human rights, Belarus, someone they'd given asylum to?

WTF does it say about Assange that he picks a country where free speech and freedoms of the press are going down the toilet? sounds like a consistent approach to ethics ...

Although, if he understood what ethics were, he might not have coughed up Bradley Manning to the authorities quite so quickly, eh? But then he doesn't care. About anything except himself.

He's a cowardly, sociopathic narcissist with a messiah complex.

And some people fall for it.

Smokey, it has been proved he has a case to answer, other than a trial what other way could the Swedish authorities prove to you that he should be extradited?

George Galloway showing how utterly crazy he is by describing rape as "bad sexual etiquette".