Chris28 wrote::shock: I would say unbelievable, but that seems to be Mail Online's MO. It is quite extraordinary. I'm far from the first to write about it, but here's a piece from a few months before that was published, which shows that it's far from a one off. I've tweeted this link and a few direct questions at the Mail: for some reason, they seem to simply ignore them. Which suggests that they know full well but will not accuse me of lies etc. For those who don't read that piece, Mail online is still, ultimately, the editorial responsibility of Paul Dacre, who is editor in chief of the entire group.

Chris28 wrote::shock: I would say unbelievable, but that seems to be Mail Online's MO. It is quite extraordinary. I'm far from the first to write about it, but here's a piece from a few months before that was published, which shows that it's far from a one off. I've tweeted this link and a few direct questions at the Mail: for some reason, they seem to simply ignore them. Which suggests that they know full well but will not accuse me of lies etc. For those who don't read that piece, Mail online is still, ultimately, the editorial responsibility of Paul Dacre, who is editor in chief of the entire group.

In typical Sun fashion, they use their front page to show a picture and quote from Winston Churchill They obviously ignored the irony of Churchill editing the British Gazette during the general strike

In typical Sun fashion, they use their front page to show a picture and quote from Winston Churchill They obviously ignored the irony of Churchill editing the British Gazette during the general strike

Steve Bell's take on it

Steve Bell's take on it

I doubt even press regulation could prevent the likes of the odious Richard Littlejohn and his peurile comments on trans teacher Lucy Meadows No doubt he's proud of himself though and could possibly claim a result: Lucy Meadows found dead And Dacre, Rothermere and the scum writing for the rag are against any form of regulation.

I doubt even press regulation could prevent the likes of the odious Richard Littlejohn and his peurile comments on trans teacher Lucy Meadows No doubt he's proud of himself though and could possibly claim a result: Lucy Meadows found dead And Dacre, Rothermere and the scum writing for the rag are against any form of regulation.

Except that Littlejohn was right in that it was self-indulgent and thoughtless in the extreme for Mr Upton/Miss Meadows to come back after Christmas as a different gender and expect 7 year old kids to be able to handle it.

He'd be right only to the few idiots who think like you and he.

As someone just tweeted:

Mo Cropplod Ooglo ‏@MyCrippledEagle

"Trans issues are confusing for children." EVERYTHING IS CONFUSING FOR CHILDREN. THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON WE HAVE TO TEACH THEM SHIT.

Where is the public (as in national) interest in his story?

Pssst: I think FA was, y'know, doing a Dally.



There was none.

Incidentally, I'd hasten to point out that we don't know, for sure, what happened and why – we don't actually have facts.

But that does not change the fact that Littlejohn is a bigoted, ranting piece of shitstirring scum, and the Wail is just one of a number of utterly disgusting vehicles for people like him to spread their bile in.

Which equally should not bee seen as an excuse for the apparently rather frightening numbers of dumb, unthinking twerps out there who believe everything that the Littlejohns of this world say to an almost sexual extent, and then take that bigotry forward.

Mintball wrote:Incidentally, I'd hasten to point out that we don't know, for sure, what happened and why – we don't actually have facts. I know that, there's plenty of speculation over suicide etc but I deliberately refused to join in the rumour mill Mintball wrote:But that does not change the fact that Littlejohn is a bigoted, ranting piece of shitstirring scum, and the Wail is just one of a number of utterly disgusting vehicles for people like him to spread their bile in. I agree wholeheartedly, there's more than a couple I'd lump in with him too A good summation from Jack of Kent

Mintball wrote:Incidentally, I'd hasten to point out that we don't know, for sure, what happened and why – we don't actually have facts. I know that, there's plenty of speculation over suicide etc but I deliberately refused to join in the rumour mill Mintball wrote:But that does not change the fact that Littlejohn is a bigoted, ranting piece of shitstirring scum, and the Wail is just one of a number of utterly disgusting vehicles for people like him to spread their bile in. I agree wholeheartedly, there's more than a couple I'd lump in with him too A good summation from Jack of Kent

cod'ead wrote:I know that, there's plenty of speculation over suicide etc but I deliberately refused to join in the rumour mill ... I know – but it was really intended as a general point. And I know that my own instincts are to hurl blame in a certain direction too. Some of the stories I've heard, in the course of work, over the last years about what trans people go through ... and some people imagine it's 'a lifestyle choice'. There really are things that make me despair. cod'ead wrote:I agree wholeheartedly, there's more than a couple I'd lump in with him too A good summation from Jack of Kent Absolutely.

cod'ead wrote:I know that, there's plenty of speculation over suicide etc but I deliberately refused to join in the rumour mill ... I know – but it was really intended as a general point. And I know that my own instincts are to hurl blame in a certain direction too. Some of the stories I've heard, in the course of work, over the last years about what trans people go through ... and some people imagine it's 'a lifestyle choice'. There really are things that make me despair. cod'ead wrote:I agree wholeheartedly, there's more than a couple I'd lump in with him too A good summation from Jack of Kent Absolutely.

I dont claim to be any kind of expert on this, but if it is a lifestyle choice, who am I to criticise someone's lifestyle anyway?