Post subject: Re: Irvine Patnick RIP (rot in pieces)
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:18 pm
Rock God X
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Sal Paradise wrote:For me there are differing degrees: 1. Those who go out with the intention of killing someone e.g. drugs lords, Rose West 2. Those who ensure if things don't go according to plan they have a back up 3. Self defence that goes to far 4. Man finds wife in bed with best mate
The emotional the drive to do the deed is different and a life sentence for 1 & 2 seems odd given the different degrees of drive.
The sentence handed out in a murder case is individual and based on the circumstances of the case. There are already degrees of murder to that extent. In all murder cases, however, the standard of proof is 'beyond reasonable doubt'. And yet there are still miscarriages of justice. If those (innocent) people have been shown 'beyond reasonable doubt' to be guilty of murder, how do you propose we avoid hanging innocent people if your plan for the reintroduction of the death penalty is successful?
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Post subject: Re: Irvine Patnick RIP (rot in pieces)
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:57 pm
Mintball
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Rock God X wrote:The sentence handed out in a murder case is individual and based on the circumstances of the case. There are already degrees of murder to that extent. In all murder cases, however, the standard of proof is 'beyond reasonable doubt'. And yet there are still miscarriages of justice. If those (innocent) people have been shown 'beyond reasonable doubt' to be guilty of murder, how do you propose we avoid hanging innocent people if your plan for the reintroduction of the death penalty is successful?
And that's without considering:
1) the trustworthiness of the police. I can entirely understand why police would, in horrific cases, be so determined to bring a killer to book that they'd bend the rules if they thought that they had the right person and could only get them that way, but we know precisely where that leads. And that's without going down the route of discussing a case such as that of Daniel Morgan;
2) DNA evidence is not 100% effective'
3) the ethical question of why, if the taking of life is such a serious crime, it becomes acceptable for the state to do exactly that.
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Post subject: Re: Irvine Patnick RIP (rot in pieces)
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:09 pm
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If anyone missed the original screening on Question Time of Priti ("it really is") Patel debating the death penalty with Ian Hislop, then it's well worth searching the two names on youtube
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Post subject: Re: Irvine Patnick RIP (rot in pieces)
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:33 pm
cod'ead
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Horatio Yed wrote:"Ian Hislop explains Capital Punishment to an Idiot."
A pretty fair and succinct summation.
The major problem is she is a member of our legislature, not only that, she's also marked as a rising star among Camoron's coterie
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Post subject: Re: Irvine Patnick RIP (rot in pieces)
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:00 pm
cod'ead
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Durham Giant wrote:I would not mind seeing more of her she is quite priti
Are you really so shallow?
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cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan
Post subject: Re: Irvine Patnick RIP (rot in pieces)
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:33 pm
Rooster Booster
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Interestingly there have been a few occasions over here of late, where a person has punched someone in a fight, who has fallen, smashed their head on the pavement and died.
Also, If someone went out to just give someone a little "slap" as a warning without any intention other than to fire off a warning shot and they cracked their head and died. What happens then Petrocelli?
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