Surely, it's not about taste but about ability to afford the stuff regularly? The point being that socialists who can are hypocrites as they spout equality but are happy personally to have more income / wealth than the masses. They could, of course, give their surplus income / wealth to those more needy than themselves rather than imbibe luxuriously expensive drinks. That would be the socialist think to do.

You're confused.
The one basic tenet that links all varieties of socialism (and there are many, even though you speak as if there is only one) is that of collective responsibility for those worse off or more needy.

Note that term "collective responsibility".

Let's say that I want people like myself to pay more in taxes to improve life for those at the bottom of the heap.
You would say "Fine, give your money to whoever you see fit and be happy at that", thereby demonstrating that you haven't grasped the term "collective responsibility".

Oh, I see.

It was me who mentioned the Vauxhall thing in another thread but regardless if you look at recent criticism of the government for not providing a foundation for growth from the likes of Branson you quickly find that they are also harping on about regulation getting in the way despite the fact we are far less regulated workforce than Germany.

It is as if they are oblivious to the fact the most successful economy in the EU does things differently than they suggest and that more regulation or at least a completely different attitude to the way companies are run with the long term the primary focus rather than the next 3 months figures are big reasons why Germany is where it is.

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I don't mind people insulting Socialists for being Socialists, if that's their opinion of Socialism then that's fine by me. I don't like Capitalism and will tell a Capitalist what I think of their position and the fact that they are one. The difference is a Capitalist won't refute he is one. That's the problem.

What I don't like, what I really, really don't like, is when people are accused of being a Socialist. I don't like it primarily because the fake leftists amongst the Labour and Liberal Democrat party then refute the accusation, as if it really is something they shouldn't be, something that they'd be ashamed to be. People want to remove themselves from Socialism, for some reason.

It's becoming a dirty word mainly because of the Statists on the left who actually aren't genuine Socialists, which is why they run away from the word, because in fairness it isn't a fair representation of who they are. There are very few true Socialists in the Labour or Lib Dem ranks today. Accuse a true leftist like Tony Benn that he's a Socialist and he'll be proud of it!

Unfortunately it is becoming a dirty word, arguably already is one, just as it is in America.

Work Experience coalition stylee:



Internships for fooking shop assistants?

Couple that to an extension of the Work for Nowt Programme and you can give me socialism any day of the week in whatever hue it comes.

And as I tweeted yesterday: online 'newspaper' @The_Upcoming advertises for free worker. http://www.gumtree.com/p/jobs/the-upcom ... /103212922 They want someone to work for free – to deadlines, of course, but at home (so using their own computer, internet connection, power etc etc). This isn't a charity or some sort of 'worthy' publication – it's entirely commercial. People talk about 'benefits scroungers', these people are skills scroungers.

And as I tweeted yesterday: online 'newspaper' @The_Upcoming advertises for free worker. http://www.gumtree.com/p/jobs/the-upcom ... /103212922 They want someone to work for free – to deadlines, of course, but at home (so using their own computer, internet connection, power etc etc). This isn't a charity or some sort of 'worthy' publication – it's entirely commercial. People talk about 'benefits scroungers', these people are skills scroungers.

Mintball wrote:And as I tweeted yesterday: online 'newspaper' @The_Upcoming advertises for free worker. http://www.gumtree.com/p/jobs/the-upcom ... /103212922 They want someone to work for free – to deadlines, of course, but at home (so using their own computer, internet connection, power etc etc). This isn't a charity or some sort of 'worthy' publication – it's entirely commercial. People talk about 'benefits scroungers', these people are skills scroungers. It's almost as if someone took a look at John Major's Victorian Values manual and thought "let's start with employment"

Mintball wrote:And as I tweeted yesterday: online 'newspaper' @The_Upcoming advertises for free worker. http://www.gumtree.com/p/jobs/the-upcom ... /103212922 They want someone to work for free – to deadlines, of course, but at home (so using their own computer, internet connection, power etc etc). This isn't a charity or some sort of 'worthy' publication – it's entirely commercial. People talk about 'benefits scroungers', these people are skills scroungers. It's almost as if someone took a look at John Major's Victorian Values manual and thought "let's start with employment"

Coddy - can I ask is that something you photographed youself or is it doing the rounds on some other website? (If the latter, do you know which?).

Cheers.

That internship advert - oh my goodness!

Yeah... I'm out of words.