They "claim" no such thing. All but occasional delusionals know that the real images are real, and they release them for our general edification. "Claim" doesn't come into it. There is no doubt.


Stan I've humiliated you enough with the ISS, you really are a glutton for punishment. If you remember, you can see the ISS with your own eyes, so there is your proof.

Even tonight, you can see it rise in the West at 17:36, reach a max elevation of nearly 27 degrees in the SW at 17:38, and then move away to disappear over the SE horizon at 17:41. At mag. -0.4 it won't be especially bright, but easily naked-eye at 17:41.

Of course, a determined bunch of flat-earther satellite-deniers could easily check up on the ISS by positioning themselves at various points to the north and south of the ground path, and taking careful observations. If the ISS really is there and really does orbit exactly as is "claimed", than it would be seen to do that from their triangulation. If it didn't - why, hey presto, ISS debunked! But no such delusionals would bother, they prefer to irrationally "know" there "is no ISS", rather than see for themselves that there is!

Didn't you claim that instead there must be some global secret network of giant projectors beaming a moving holograph visible brightly in the sky from any point on Earth? As I recall I asked where they all are. You didn't mention. Where are the ones that project the images over the Pacific, or Atlantic? Secret invisible NASA islands every mile or two throughout the seas? Really Stan, you should let that one go. You look plenty stupid enough.


My, you really are up for humiliation, aren't you? I've repeatedly even provided you with lengthy and detailed list of all the local satellite passes that you can see any clear night with your own eyes. It takes a special kind of stupid to claim there are no satellites, even when you can watch them in the night sky, exactly as their orbits predict, with your own eyes, by the hundred.


The truth is there could be a billion images - you would call every single one "fake" or "CGI" so the millions of authentic images that exist will do for non-delusional people. There is no image they could ever produce that you wouldn't call a fake, so don't pretend there is.

But it is particularly delusional for you to say the ISS "cannot beam one authentic picture of the globe", when it does so, all day, every day, and the whole world can freely watch.
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/HDEV/


You can wacth the video feed, and see a map of the globe showing exactly where the ISS is, and see a moving terrain map pinpointing the area of Earth directly below the ISS.

Now (14:00 would be a good time, as the ISS is in daylight heading from S. America over the Atlantic towards Portugal. Some great views, Stan. Clouds and everything.

If when it is due over your location, you can watch it approach, and then pop out and watch it serenely cruise past, thus providing yet further concrete evidence of your own eyes that it is really up there.

So it's not that ISS can't, it does, all the time, it is that whatever it does, you knee-jerk cries of "fake", and you always will. And you decline to disprove it to yourself by the simple expedient of opening your own fscking eyes


There are very many authentic globe images, and that includes images from non-NASA sources. Here is one from those well known NASA conspiracists, the Chinese Academy of Sciences, taken by the Chng'e 3 probe Do you see a globe, Stan? How do you account for it?



That is one thing they could never do, even if they wanted to. You being a classic case in point.


How stupid can one man get?
The ISS is orbiting at a high speed. The apparent motion of the Earth viewed from the ISS is a function of the ISS orbiting around the globe. The Earth's rotation takes 24 hours, the ISS takes only an hour or so to do one orbit, so clearly the Earth's orbit IS part of the visible movement, but equally clearly you can't with your eyes differentiate between the two.

But, what you can do, is think about the orbit, in reference to the path which the ISS takes. Which is plotted on the map on the HDEV site. You will then see that the reason the ISS flies over a constantly different path relative to the ground is precisely the rotation of the Earth.

And, irritatingly, you can see what parts of the globe are illuminated by the Sun, and which are not, which inconveniently for you can only be explained by the Earth being a globe. And by the Sun rotating once every 24 hours and thus constantly changing its face to the Sun.

And finally, you can also see that the ISS MUST orbit a globe, as to take the indisputable path it does in relation to your barmy flat earth model would either be impossible, or would demand constant steering along unlikely parabolic paths, that would require such a titanic supply of fuel which no craft could ever carry.

But your mental roadblock is firmly in place and so you humiliate yourself further by parroting some of your usual CGI bullcrap, when own-eyes corroboration of all the above is freely available.

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Come again? Why would planes "fly upside down" over Australia and NZ? This mad rambling does recall one of the many humiliations I have provided to you, when I asked you to explain how come the Moon looks "upside down" compared to the UK when viewed from Australia. This nearly exploded your head then, Stan, so I suggest you don't go there again. It can't be good for your blood pressure.

They "claim" no such thing. All but occasional delusionals know that the real images are real, and they release them for our general edification. "Claim" doesn't come into it. There is no doubt.


Stan I've humiliated you enough with the ISS, you really are a glutton for punishment. If you remember, you can see the ISS with your own eyes, so there is your proof.

Even tonight, you can see it rise in the West at 17:36, reach a max elevation of nearly 27 degrees in the SW at 17:38, and then move away to disappear over the SE horizon at 17:41. At mag. -0.4 it won't be especially bright, but easily naked-eye at 17:41.

Of course, a determined bunch of flat-earther satellite-deniers could easily check up on the ISS by positioning themselves at various points to the north and south of the ground path, and taking careful observations. If the ISS really is there and really does orbit exactly as is "claimed", than it would be seen to do that from their triangulation. If it didn't - why, hey presto, ISS debunked! But no such delusionals would bother, they prefer to irrationally "know" there "is no ISS", rather than see for themselves that there is!

Didn't you claim that instead there must be some global secret network of giant projectors beaming a moving holograph visible brightly in the sky from any point on Earth? As I recall I asked where they all are. You didn't mention. Where are the ones that project the images over the Pacific, or Atlantic? Secret invisible NASA islands every mile or two throughout the seas? Really Stan, you should let that one go. You look plenty stupid enough.


My, you really are up for humiliation, aren't you? I've repeatedly even provided you with lengthy and detailed list of all the local satellite passes that you can see any clear night with your own eyes. It takes a special kind of stupid to claim there are no satellites, even when you can watch them in the night sky, exactly as their orbits predict, with your own eyes, by the hundred.


The truth is there could be a billion images - you would call every single one "fake" or "CGI" so the millions of authentic images that exist will do for non-delusional people. There is no image they could ever produce that you wouldn't call a fake, so don't pretend there is.

But it is particularly delusional for you to say the ISS "cannot beam one authentic picture of the globe", when it does so, all day, every day, and the whole world can freely watch.
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/HDEV/


You can wacth the video feed, and see a map of the globe showing exactly where the ISS is, and see a moving terrain map pinpointing the area of Earth directly below the ISS.

Now (14:00 would be a good time, as the ISS is in daylight heading from S. America over the Atlantic towards Portugal. Some great views, Stan. Clouds and everything.

If when it is due over your location, you can watch it approach, and then pop out and watch it serenely cruise past, thus providing yet further concrete evidence of your own eyes that it is really up there.

So it's not that ISS can't, it does, all the time, it is that whatever it does, you knee-jerk cries of "fake", and you always will. And you decline to disprove it to yourself by the simple expedient of opening your own fscking eyes


There are very many authentic globe images, and that includes images from non-NASA sources. Here is one from those well known NASA conspiracists, the Chinese Academy of Sciences, taken by the Chng'e 3 probe Do you see a globe, Stan? How do you account for it?



That is one thing they could never do, even if they wanted to. You being a classic case in point.


How stupid can one man get?
The ISS is orbiting at a high speed. The apparent motion of the Earth viewed from the ISS is a function of the ISS orbiting around the globe. The Earth's rotation takes 24 hours, the ISS takes only an hour or so to do one orbit, so clearly the Earth's orbit IS part of the visible movement, but equally clearly you can't with your eyes differentiate between the two.

But, what you can do, is think about the orbit, in reference to the path which the ISS takes. Which is plotted on the map on the HDEV site. You will then see that the reason the ISS flies over a constantly different path relative to the ground is precisely the rotation of the Earth.

And, irritatingly, you can see what parts of the globe are illuminated by the Sun, and which are not, which inconveniently for you can only be explained by the Earth being a globe. And by the Sun rotating once every 24 hours and thus constantly changing its face to the Sun.

And finally, you can also see that the ISS MUST orbit a globe, as to take the indisputable path it does in relation to your barmy flat earth model would either be impossible, or would demand constant steering along unlikely parabolic paths, that would require such a titanic supply of fuel which no craft could ever carry.

But your mental roadblock is firmly in place and so you humiliate yourself further by parroting some of your usual CGI bullcrap, when own-eyes corroboration of all the above is freely available.

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Come again? Why would planes "fly upside down" over Australia and NZ? This mad rambling does recall one of the many humiliations I have provided to you, when I asked you to explain how come the Moon looks "upside down" compared to the UK when viewed from Australia. This nearly exploded your head then, Stan, so I suggest you don't go there again. It can't be good for your blood pressure.