You read that Sun article and conclude sexual assault???

Seriously???

IMO if that is that standard of sexual assault then I'd expect that every man is guilty of it.

Do I believe that there have been MASSIVE abuses of power by the police, especially on blacks? Yes. I am sure of it. I was reading yesterday about a Black Panther who was virtually executed in the US. It made me sick reading about it. It's stunning that people were allowed to get away with some of the things they did.

But all Jimmy Savile did to that 20 YEAR OLD WOMAN was assume that she was up for it when all the indications are she was up for it. There is nothing in that article which says that she indicated in any way that she didn't want what he was doing.

If Jimmy Savile was the vile sexual predator he's painted as he wouldn't have sent the woman packing when she said she wasn't on the pill because she "wasn't that type of girl".

“He jumped on me and pulled my hand to his crotch."



Its worthy of further investigation by any police force who have it made to them as a statement, its certainly not acceptable for any male to behave like that within a few minutes of meeting any random female and I doubt you'd find many men guilty of that.

Depends what circles you move in of course.

And if someone had warned them off they'd have obviously said no.

It was the 1970's. Girls didn't like sex. They were not impressed by rich men who were on the TV. Being the famous guy from TV who was centre stage in the nightclub has never been a prize to anyone.

No girl would have ever said that she didn't go backstage when the truth was that they went back stage and was a willing party to everything that was done to them. Women are always plain and honest, especially about sex.



So the papers were writing about child abuse, they just weren't interested in writing about a famous guy they knew who was committing it???

But actually, they were very interested Savile's child abuse. They just explained it to the public with a special code that the public should have been smart enough to work out.



Child abuse. The quickest and easiest way to guarantee a laugh. Who doesn't like a joke about children being abused?



That's so awesome. I just wish I had that job of writing that glowing article about a child abuser knowing that we were so clever that we'd be stitching him up at the same time on the next page.

I think I'd enjoy my job so much that week I'd refuse to pick up my pay packet.

There's no flaws with that stupid scenario is there? There's no one who would read the glowing article about the knighted Savile, think that he was a truly great guy getting his just rewards and watch his TV shows with even more respect for him? They wouldn't give that article about child abuse a wild swerve and never put the two together like you were able to?



The BS keeps piling up.

The general public regard him as a saint. Mainly because the papers keep calling him a saint, when really it's the stupid public's fault for not understand the hieroglyphics of the daily press and their special code.

We, the police, are watching this child abuser openly abuse children. But we can't do anything because no one would believe a child. Or us, when we're watching it.



You were complicit in his behaviour too. You knew what he was. You knew the retarded game the media were playing. You obviously supported their retarded code because you kept buying the papers.

Go to jail. Give yourself in. You knew of child abuse. You did nothing. Operation Yew Tree would be pleased with the conviction. They probably won't be getting any unless you guilty people start admitting your guilt.

She wasn't a random female. He'd sent his Rolls Royce to pick her up from the B&B she was staying in. They clearly had that arrangement. Or it was just a massive piece of luck that a Jimmy Savile fan club member was just picked up luckily by Jimmy Savile's driver and she just accepted any offer of a ride in a Roller.

Why was she going to his caravan?

Have I ever done that? No. Have you ever done that? I'd guess no as well. Do I think that nearly every member of a certain LS6 RL team has acted like that? Pretty much.

The main reason being that we have to work to get some. If we did what Savile did then we'd be getting a slapped face and our association with the girl would be over.

But during a date where you thought you were getting lucky did you get explicitly get permission to take things to the next stage? I doubt it. If you ask for explicit permission then you're not likely to get it. At each stage of where you progressed you are risking an assault charge if you apply the judgement against Savile to standard dating practice.

Have you ever touched a woman's breast who then knocked you back? If you have, I hope you go and hand yourself in to the police.

IMO Savile probably had hundreds of women picked up by his driver. I'd assume his technique worked higher than 90%. His techniques would get him whatever the hell he wanted most of the time. On this occasion he thought she was an easy groupie who he was going to do and treated her like that. It became clear she wasn't like that and she was going to make him work for it. He pretty much realised they were on completely different pages over where they were and he showed her the door. She left, disappointed that that she wouldn't be married to her idol after all.

She chooses to believe that she was sexually assaulted. She's got that right. She'll probably get paid out because of that and pick up 10 grand in "compensation".

I think genuine sexual assault is a massively serious crime and should be treated as such. I don't think humouring this stupid woman as being a victim of a genuine sexual assault helps anybody.

I love the way you make up stuff.

Its very entertaining.

You believe that that woman is a genuine victim of a sexual assault?

For example, Justin Timberlake is accused of doing that. He responds to that with a "Go eff yourself with your crazy ****" and refuses to even participate in the trial.

So the only evidence is the nonsense that the Sun wrote.

You'd convict?

The example doesn't work.

If anyone is accused of sexual assault and the CPS consider that the evidence is good enough to go to trial (as you suggest), then he can't say "Go eff yourself..."

And thats where your example stops.

If the accused refuses to participate in a trial then the trial will just proceed with only the prosecution case.

Personally, if think if a groupie made that allegation against somebody after that happened then I think they have every right to refuse their participation.

The reason I use this as an example is because Savile obviously cannot defend himself because he's dead. No trial is going to proceed so her version of the events is the only one put forward (and I'm not even disputing her version).

Savile and Justin Timberlake's defence would be the same. Savile because he is dead. Timberlake because he thinks this is BS. They can't go ahead with the trial against Savile, but they would be able to with Timberlake.

On that evidence, would you convict?

(Nice attempt not to admit I'm right though.)

But your example of a live celebrity refusing to attend a British court on a criminal charge of rape (because the CPS would have reviewed and re-reviewed all of the evidence before proceeding), simply because that celebrity states that the charge is BS, is ridiculous because it just would not happen that way, its a criminal charge and the celebrity would be extradited if necessary otherwise any foreign "celebrity" could travel the world raping at will and then shut themselves away in their LA mansion and shout "Its all bullshit" through the letterbox.

Or buy off the victims but that only seems to work in the USA.

The point should be made though that it must be an absolute nightmare for young males who become overnight celebrities through music or acting (but mainly music) and who then suddenly find thousands of young girls literally throwing themselves at you - still, even after everything that has been revealed and reviled these past twelve months.

In particular when we were playing the "Who's Next" sweepstake last year my money was always on a young Scottish band from the 1970s who's trademark was peddling rubbish to young girls while wearing lots of tartan clothing - their manager served jailtime for indecency so they weren't exactly guided or protected very well by him and had they been so inclined could have hand picked a dozen young girls every night for years.

The last I heard of them they were playing in a pub in the centre of Leeds to 40 or 50 (mainly) middle aged women who would probably still have followed them back to their hotel if requested.