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Standee wrote:he wasn't really even a proper sailor was he, wasn't he a steward?
As opposed to a jolly Jack Tar, complete with bell-bottoms and whistling a hornpipe?
WTF is a "proper sailor"?
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cod'ead wrote:As opposed to a jolly Jack Tar, complete with bell-bottoms and whistling a hornpipe?
WTF is a "proper sailor"?
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sanjunien wrote:when Ted Heath took us in the EEC in the early 70s (remember, WE voted for it democratically) Mr Kinnock was seen in the same light as Red Ken, Scargill, Red Robbo, Peter Shore and the like = extreme euro sceptics
Kinnock realised that it would be economic suicide to pull out of europe and so had to jump on the bandwagon, upsetting many of his contempories within the loony left/labour Party at the time - he had no choice but to accept the ERM in 1990 many years after his anti european stance
and correct, the Tores had lost their credibilty especially when senior Tories like the C of the Ex, Norman Lamont wasn't in favour...the crash was inevitable and it cost me a fookin' fortune !
I think you're re-writing history here....Kinnock was leader of the Opposition at the time Margaret Thatcher was PM. He was calling for us to join the ERM while Maggie was insistent on us staying out. Kinnock wasn't jumping on the bandwagon he took the Labour party in a different direction from the way it had been before (under Foot they wanted withdrawal from the EEC) and in a different direction from where the Tories were (or where Thatcher was, not necessarily all her party).
Ultimately we went in because Lawson, Howe and Major all wanted us in, and after Lawson and Howe had quit and she had Major as Chancellor, she couldn't afford to fall out with another Chancellor at such a dicey time for her in the poll tax era.
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El Barbudo wrote:Because of what happened to the pound when it was in the ERM, I think you mean. i.e. Lamont sat in his office without even a TV to watch the currency markets and, as runners kep coming in to tell how much further the pound had fallen, kept throwing money at it, impotently waiting and waiting for instructions from the equally vacuous Major who didn't even contact him. Then Lamont had the brass neck to say he'd never actually been keen on the ERM anyway ... didn't stop him from taking the job did it?
Yeah ... I think Blair had a point about Tory economic credibility after that, actually.
I don't support the idea of any kind of European currency regime, ERM or Euro, however in fairness to the Tories on this one, they were damned if they did and damned if they didn't, in terms of 'credibility'. They had made the decision to go into the ERM and had made a firm commitment in the election of May 1992 that the UK's economic policy would be run from within the ERM. That is a signal to businesses that the UK will be an ERM member.
When four months later, the pound comes under pressure - do they decide to quit the ERM at the first sign of trouble? With hindsight that would have saved us a lot of money that day, because we blew billions on ill fated interventions, but if we had quit early on in the day what would that have said about the UK government's 'credibility' for any future statements on its economic policy.
Once they made the decision that the UK would be in the ERM (the wrong one, IMO, as Mrs Thatcher warned), they had to pull out all the stops to try and keep us in when we came under pressure.
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sally cinnamon wrote:I think you're re-writing history here....Kinnock was leader of the Opposition at the time Margaret Thatcher was PM. He was calling for us to join the ERM while Maggie was insistent on us staying out. Kinnock wasn't jumping on the bandwagon he took the Labour party in a different direction from the way it had been before (under Foot they wanted withdrawal from the EEC) and in a different direction from where the Tories were (or where Thatcher was, not necessarily all her party).
Ultimately we went in because Lawson, Howe and Major all wanted us in, and after Lawson and Howe had quit and she had Major as Chancellor, she couldn't afford to fall out with another Chancellor at such a dicey time for her in the poll tax era.
not a case of re writing history
Mr Kinnock was a staunch euro sceptic in his early days - he moderated somewhat when he saw the direction the party was heading
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took us in the EEC in the early 70s (remember, WE voted for it democratically) Mr Kinnock was seen in the same light as Red Ken, Scargill, Red Robbo, Peter Shore and the like = extreme euro sceptics
