wrencat1873 wrote:I cant believe that you're shocked but at least they let you in.
Switzerland is the polar opposite of the UK and super strict on immigration and it's a bit too late for the UK to follow that model.
Have you been here recently. Stuffed full of non-Eurpoean immigrants. Noisey bunch. Keep me awake with their shouting til 2.00am, which starts again at 6.00am. In between we have the street cleaning truck to keep me awake. Then the bin lorry. They all seem to make as much noise as they can to keep hotel residents awake. Tonight's snack about £70. At least it tasted rather Breyer than McDs.
The Devil's Advocate wrote:Are the Brexiteers finally realising the error of their ways?
In the end my leave vote was down to sheer bloody mindedness. Error of my ways? Not at all. If there was the same referendum tomorrow I'd still vote leave. If the referendum did one thing it called our own government out and exposed them for the useless bunch of tossers we all suspected they were. Cameron ran off like a naughty schoolboy, Osborne lost his bottle despite his cocksure swagger during the campaign, May proved she was a robot and Gove, BoJo & (A)IDS would have trouble exiting a revolving door never mind the EU.
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Short term pain for long term gain. People with agendas to make leaving the EU seem as bad a decision as possible thus spiting their own face. The ever widening trade gap between the UK and the EU which was going to get even bigger/faster was one of the reasons I voted to leave.
And if people think that forced migration by the United Nations* of people from the middle East to Western Europe by the tens/hundreds of millions is a good thing then you've no idea as to how this impacts in a massively detrimental way. *This is a UN mandate btw and is accessible online, they just don't say upfront how they are achieving this but it's there to see on TV.
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knockersbumpMKII wrote:Short term pain for long term gain. People with agendas to make leaving the EU seem as bad a decision as possible thus spiting their own face. The ever widening trade gap between the UK and the EU which was going to get even bigger/faster was one of the reasons I voted to leave.
And if people think that forced migration by the United Nations* of people from the middle East to Western Europe by the tens/hundreds of millions is a good thing then you've no idea as to how this impacts in a massively detrimental way. *This is a UN mandate btw and is accessible online, they just don't say upfront how they are achieving this but it's there to see on TV.
Ah yes, that old chestnut, what is short term, two years, five years, twenty years?
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The Devil's Advocate wrote:Ah yes, that old chestnut, what is short term, two years, five years, twenty years?
I've posted this before, but worth repeating. At the start of the year I met a representative of several Chinese billionaires keen to invest in the UK - infrastructure, energy, property, he was exploring all sorts of options.
Seems the Chinese are supremely confident of the UK being in a strong and positive position within a 3-7 year timeframe. He even gave me figures: their analysts forecast a dip of up to 10% at most, followed by recovery of up to 20%. In his words, "if they're not guaranteed a return of at least 5-10% on their investment, whatever the timeframe, they won't touch it".
We should never have been in the situation we ended up in. Extricating ourselves won't be painless but it'll be worth it. Meanwhile mainland Europe is in the sh*t in a big way.
Cronus wrote:I've posted this before, but worth repeating. At the start of the year I met a representative of several Chinese billionaires keen to invest in the UK - infrastructure, energy, property, he was exploring all sorts of options.
Seems the Chinese are supremely confident of the UK being in a strong and positive position within a 3-7 year timeframe. He even gave me figures: their analysts forecast a dip of up to 10% at most, followed by recovery of up to 20%. In his words, "if they're not guaranteed a return of at least 5-10% on their investment, whatever the timeframe, they won't touch it".
We should never have been in the situation we ended up in. Extricating ourselves won't be painless but it'll be worth it. Meanwhile mainland Europe is in the sh*t in a big way.
Is this the same type of investment that we currently have from French companies like EDF, investing heavily, for a guaranteed return on what should be government investment in our future energy needs.
With the Chinese, it really does depend on what sort of investment they are planning to make.
wrencat1873 wrote:Is this the same type of investment that we currently have from French companies like EDF, investing heavily, for a guaranteed return on what should be government investment in our future energy needs.
With the Chinese, it really does depend on what sort of investment they are planning to make.
Indeed - the Tories don't support state owned industry - unless it's a foreign state, in which case they can fill their boots and enrich themselves with profits that could be reinvested, or go to the exchequer.
bren2k wrote:Indeed - the Tories don't support state owned industry - unless it's a foreign state, in which case they can fill their boots and enrich themselves with profits that could be reinvested, or go to the exchequer.
And protect the humble millions from inflation busting price rises (despite May's promises of a cap on energy bills ) and re invest in said utilities, instead of lining some Chinese of French billionaire's pockets. Competition in the utilities markets in pure fallacy and we all fell for it. 25 years on we're all still waiting fro prices to come tumbling down, due to increased "competition". Instead, we've jumped into bed with EDF, promising them a price for their electricity that will make May blush (although she will be long gone by then), instead of investing in our own energy generation. I wonder how many government ministers get a sweetener for such deals ?
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) and re invest in said utilities, instead of lining some Chinese of French billionaire's pockets.
