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Standee wrote: but the church can use an onslaught of horrific noise because "itmpleases the sky pixie", so an element of thread drift, but it exposes the double standard quite well.
There is no call within the Christian faith to be tolerant. Respectful, yes; tolerant, no. The same can be said for Judaism and Islam. The liberal wing of each of those religions will apply tolerance because their approach is what it says on the tin (liberal) but that is all. Tolerance can be hypocritical and patronising anyway and is certainly an extension of situational ethics. The central Christian message is about acceptance (of falibility), forgiveness (for where that falibility leads) and redemption (starting afresh). It isn't and never has been about tolerance.
There is no call within the Christian faith to be tolerant. Respectful, yes; tolerant, no. The same can be said for Judaism and Islam. The liberal wing of each of those religions will apply tolerance because their approach is what it says on the tin (liberal) but that is all. Tolerance can be hypocritical and patronising anyway and is certainly an extension of situational ethics. The central Christian message is about acceptance (of falibility), forgiveness (for where that falibility leads) and redemption (starting afresh). It isn't and never has been about tolerance.
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SaintsFan wrote:There is no call within the Christian faith to be tolerant. Respectful, yes; tolerant, no. The same can be said for Judaism and Islam. The liberal wing of each of those religions will apply tolerance because their approach is what it says on the tin (liberal) but that is all. Tolerance can be hypocritical and patronising anyway and is certainly an extension of situational ethics. The central Christian message is about acceptance (of falibility), forgiveness (for where that falibility leads) and redemption (starting afresh). It isn't and never has been about tolerance.
SaintsFan wrote: It isn't and never has been about tolerance.
Indeed, history shows that many (most) religions are totally intolorant of views which oppose theirs, all of which makes some of us shake our heads in wonder at how the House of Lords ended up allowing intolorant sexists to make the laws of our land - and how Prime Ministers in the past have made no secret of the way that religion has guided their decision making process, as if that is some sort of virtue.
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JerryChicken wrote:Indeed, history shows that many (most) religions are totally intolorant of views which oppose theirs, all of which makes some of us shake our heads in wonder at how the House of Lords ended up allowing intolorant sexists to make the laws of our land - and how Prime Ministers in the past have made no secret of the way that religion has guided their decision making process, as if that is some sort of virtue.
so "love thy neighbour" means "love thy neighbour, but on insofar as they do things you agree with", sounds like sky pixie claptrap so you're right.
and as for "do unto others" well, that was clearly just batshit too.
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Standee wrote:so "love thy neighbour" means "love thy neighbour, but on insofar as they do things you agree with", sounds like sky pixie claptrap so you're right.
Since when has love equated to tolerance? Never, I would suggest. If you love your child, for example, and your child steals something of yours or hits you or shows other behaviour that you find uncomfortable or just plain wrong then you'll discipline your child accordingly. That will be because you love your child and want them to grow up following the values you think are important rather than doing stuff that will harm them. Parents are very intolerant towards their children but most would be loving them and would accept them as their children no matter what they did.
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SaintsFan wrote:As is evidenced all over this thread, it isn't just religions or the religious who are totally intolerant of views which oppose theirs!
no, decent people can see homophobic bigotry for what it is.
I can tolerate anyone's views, so long as they aren't f'ng idiotic.
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