Sal Paradise wrote:Nowhere is Pinot Noir produced at the quality it is in Burgundy - unless you are talking Champagne. As for Chardonnay again it is without equal.
If you want a Ferrari then you have to pay. If you want a mini drink Kiwi pinot noir or Aussie Chardonnay.
Comparing wines simply because they use the same grape variety is futile. France and New Zealand are miles apart, NZ vines are on average 30 years old Burgundy vines were planted over hundreds of years ago. The temperature in NZ creates wines high in alcohol very deep and full bodied, this is not the case in Burgundy. The soil structures are very different you will not find Burgundy in NZ.
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peggy wrote:Comparing wines simply because they use the same grape variety is futile. France and New Zealand are miles apart, NZ vines are on average 30 years old Burgundy vines were planted over hundreds of years ago. The temperature in NZ creates wines high in alcohol very deep and full bodied, this is not the case in Burgundy. The soil structures are very different you will not find Burgundy in NZ.
Peggy, for whites, red and rosés, what would you recommend?
I ask on the basis that I suspect you have a damned good idea about wine – well, the French stuff at any rate.
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peggy wrote:Comparing wines simply because they use the same grape variety is futile. France and New Zealand are miles apart, NZ vines are on average 30 years old Burgundy vines were planted over hundreds of years ago. The temperature in NZ creates wines high in alcohol very deep and full bodied, this is not the case in Burgundy. The soil structures are very different you will not find Burgundy in NZ.
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peggy wrote:Comparing wines simply because they use the same grape variety is futile. France and New Zealand are miles apart, NZ vines are on average 30 years old Burgundy vines were planted over hundreds of years ago. The temperature in NZ creates wines high in alcohol very deep and full bodied, this is not the case in Burgundy. The soil structures are very different you will not find Burgundy in NZ.
Completely disagree - the climatic conditions in Otago or Marlborough are similar to those you would experience between Marsannay and Santenay. They may even be on similar latitudes either side of the equater. There will very few vines in Burgundy over a hundred years old - yields would be uneconomic - also most of the vines were destroyed by phylloxera between 1870 and 1880.
The average alcohol of good Burgundy is 13.5-14% very similar to the levels you see in NZ, in fact 14% is the highest you would expect from red wine. Are you seriously suggesting top Burgundy lacks depth and body I would suggest the opposite if anything NZ lacks real power and body.
If you ask the top pinot growers in NZ what their inspiration is they will all say Burgundy, in fact you will struggle to find a top grower that has not spent at least one harvest in Burgundy hoping to understand what makes its pinot so special.
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El Barbudo wrote:I'm not a big fan of Pinot Noir in general, as so many are too thin for me. But, if and when I do, Burgundian is the tops. My overall preference in red wine is more for a herby Mourvedre or a big Grenache (wine with shoulders) ... hence I'm a fan of the Southern Rhone and also, over in Spain, Rioja (providing it's not too oaky).
I really like Burgundy but I also love Italian wines especially Chianti, top Soave and Barolo/Barbera/Dolcetto.
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