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Hull White Star wrote:Now you ARE having a laugh, fair for who exactly?? The two working parent families earning just shy of 100k keeping child benefit or the lone parent earning 50k? (I'm not talking about the fairness of the amount, just the logic)
Maybe I've misread your quote but my question is why is either of those scenarios getting child benefit?
I'm sure people will disagree but to me anyone be it combined or single earning over 40k shouldn't be getting tax credits/ child benefit. I also believe child benefit should be payed for a maximum of 2 children.
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World of Redboy wrote:Maybe I've misread your quote but my question is why is either of those scenarios getting child benefit?
I'm sure people will disagree but to me anyone be it combined or single earning over 40k shouldn't be getting tax credits/ child benefit. I also believe child benefit should be payed for a maximum of 2 children.
I didn't say they should be. I said the system implemented yesterday wasn't fair. Why should a combined household income of two parents earning 98k between them get child benefit, yet only one parent working earning 49k not get it?? I'm with you, anyone needing child benefit earning 50k is doing something wrong. Its the implementation thats not fair.
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World of Redboy wrote:Maybe I've misread your quote but my question is why is either of those scenarios getting child benefit?
Because for a considerable length of time it was cheaper to pay the benefit universally than means test it, the only reason the have come up with the current cludge is cost.
Dead Man Walking wrote:So he wants to be PM until then to see his policies through. Aren't we lucky ?
Compare and contrast, Obama has resisted full- on austerity and has now had 13 consecutive quarters of growth. Cameron, on the other hand, is pursuing his mission to dismantle as much of the welfare state as he can.
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samwire wrote:oh bless, sweetheart. is that it? go on, have another rant about something if it makes you feel better. tell us about this mass army of loft insulators that will save the country.
Thanks for the reminder of what a twerp you made of yourself on that outing, with your chronic lack of comprehension skills.
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El Barbudo wrote:Compare and contrast, Obama has resisted full- on austerity and has now had 13 consecutive quarters of growth. Cameron, on the other hand, is pursuing his mission to dismantle as much of the welfare state as he can.
Cameron wants to carry on Thatcher's legacy I think as he does worship as if she is a God. Maybe Cameron should take a leaf out of Obama's book and see how he did it with the US economy.
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Damo-Leeds wrote:There's a big difference between being long term unemployed and being the boss in a job. I've had two uncles gone through cancer and it's the one with the most money who has been able to move forward with his life since treatment.
she wasn't the boss, just a manager/supervisor.
Quote:What made these people terminally bone idle?
their parents.
Quote:Are some people just born lazy?
no-one is born lazy, they just have it thrust upon them. but at some point you have to take responsibility for yourself.
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Hull White Star wrote:You've completely missed the point. Under the system implemented yesterday the richer pay less, the poorer pay moore
how are the richer paying anything, more or less. people simply aren't getting as much as they did before.
Quote:In most cases yes. If I was diagnosed with cancer, getting a job would be furthest from my mind, with beating the disgusting illness top priority
. then you wouldn't get a job. others would, and indeed do.
Quote:Again, missed the point. I've worked hard all my life. I worked 3 jobs, paying my fair share of tax yet when it comes to being fair, you think the threshold of 7.5k is ok??? My husband is more than happy to provide for me, but at what expense? We lose our home?????
you haven't paid your 'fair share', you've paid your taxes, as required by the government. 7.5k for what?
Quote:Not that same at all and you know it. Screwing the poorest in society is making them pay tax because they have a spare bedroom, forcing someone with terminal cancer (if they have more than 6 months to live) to seek work or lose ESA, forcing someone on JSA to work programmes for tax evading companies for a paltry £71 a week.
aaah, it suddenly becomes clear. there seems to be a difference in your eyes between the definition of screwing the poor dependent on political party. why is that i wonder. the 10p tax fiasco, deliberately and vindictively left at least 1m of the poorest in society worse off. that figure was far higher initially, until someone pointed it out. which actually worked out ok for me as i got a nice little 'cheque' even though i wasn't affected in the first place. giving people less housing benefit isn't taxing them, it's giving them less free cash. so, we shouldn't make people do a couple of weeks work every now and then for £71, we should let them do bugger all for their £71 which would give them an infinite hourly rate? and if you've over 6 months to live, why not work. why sit and wallow?
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Mintball wrote:Thanks for the reminder of what a twerp you made of yourself on that outing, with your chronic lack of comprehension skills.
yes, i failed to comprehend how someone could come up with such a preposterous idea. then i realised it went along side paying people not to commit crime.
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samwire wrote:how are the richer paying anything, more or less. people simply aren't getting as much as they did before. . then you wouldn't get a job. others would, and indeed do. you haven't paid your 'fair share', you've paid your taxes, as required by the government. 7.5k for what?
I am not entitled to Contributory ESA if my husband earns over £7.5k pa. That rules out 99.99% of people whose spouses do actually work, of claiming contributory ESA. (Contributory means I have enough NI/Income Tax contributions to qualify for the benefit in the first place but it is chalked off by the £7.5k pa household income rule)
How is that fair??????
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