Where did I ever mention anything about border control and immigration control - not an issue for me. Who is going to serve my Pret!! (only joking)

All this scare mongering about movement of goods across the Irish border there is one thing that seems to be overlooked. It is a small island with limited opportunities to move illegal goods unchecked in volume across the water and off the island. The consumption in the island will also be limited as the combined population is tiny.

This country is awash with illegal drugs none of which will have originated within the EU unless the golden triangle isn't for Rhubarb but opium So what does that say about the security/accuracy of the current EU border controls?

The Irish border is a red herring it is the only thing the EU have to stop a Brexit and its importance has become overblown as a result. How is it that freight from the US or SE Asia can move swiftly into and through the EU but this simply cannot happen across a border in a tiny island in the middle of the Irish Sea

No Cameron and Osbourne both told us if we left we would trade on WTO terms - it was part of project fear - to suggest otherwise is simply not telling the truth.

You seem to suggest that I have never had any adversity in my life - you are wrong but when it happened I didn't sit back and expect the government to bail me out through benefits - I got off my backside and sorted it. Now I accept there are people who simply cannot work through mental/physical challenges but they are in the minority.

I ask the remainers like Ghost 99 - what happens if we have another vote and we vote to leave?

I would accept it with a very, very heavy heart. But I would then wholeheartedly support the inevitable campaign to join the European Union. If we leave, one day a party with a manifesto commitment to join the EU will win a general election.

I admire your optimism, the EU will carry on mainly because the French and German banks have too much investment in the EU. It’s unlikely it will continue in its present format, Italy will eventually break away , France will eventually have a right wing government so won’t continue to be Germany’s lap dog. Once the rest of the countries that pay into the EU realize that the eastern bloc countries will always be on the payroll and will never contribute things will change. Our Irish cousins may also lose its fondness for the EU when the EU adapt a common corporate tax policy. Thus removing the Irish advantage.

If we leave with no deal, we will be using WTO terms for imports and exports, creating inflation and chaos in equal measure.

Regarding my assumption about you not having had to deal with the issues that SOME people, especially those on benefits have had to cope with.
Clearly, I'm not talking about those of us fortunate enough to be able to work and support our families or those "able to get of their backsides and do something about it" I'm talking about those who are far less fortunate and perhaps unable to work.
The current government now employs 3rd party companies, who are paid to "remove" people from the benefits system or slash the value of their income, which, although great in principle, means that certain groups, right at the bottom of the pile are being are being subjected to a level of abuse that is fundamentally wrong and personally, I believe is just as inhuman as the Windrush scandal.

As for a second referendum, I actually agree with you, it would just perpetuate the current situation.

Ah yes the myth constantly peddled by the anti E.U. brigade, don't forget Turkey's imminent membership.

If I had to bet on either Britain sailing towards sunlit uplands post Brexit or the E.U. carrying on regardless, I know what my money would be on.

If Labour had grown a pair and properly campaigned for remain, we wouldn't be in this bloody mess.
Corbyn is still acquiring splinters at a faster rate than members He seriously needs to crap or get off the pot.

Does anyone know what he really wants (both for himself and the Labour party - other than gaining power in Westminster, which, with Boris still on political honeymoon, looks ever more distant).

The guy is trying to please everyone and it's not working

He himself can't know what he wants. He's ideologically mistrustful of the EU as are many on the fringes of the left. This is in harmony with the frightened working classes who voted Brexit and need to vote Labour to get him in power. He is trying to weigh all that up with knowing deep down that leaving is a catastrophe and that the rank and file membership of the party are massively remain.

So, as you say, he's sat on the pot attempting to placate both Labour leaning constituencies, and Labour membership. It won't work. I am not a labour voter but I believe him to be an honourable man who is trying and failing to be all things to all people. Perhaps Labour needed this period of experimenting away from the centre left just to try it on for size. But the fact that they've been behind in the opinion polls to a Tory government of this calibre, is all the evidence I need on the success of that experiment.

I have to agree with you mate. I really wanted things to change in this country and i believed we could roll back and go left. Unfortunately, the majority do not want to.

It's only a red herring if you are ideologically incoherent - you appear to be utterly happy with anyone from the EU walking or driving into the UK with no checks. How does that in any way fit with the immigration control/border control reasons that a majority voted for Brexit for? It makes no sense whatsoever.

And the Irish border issue is nothing to do with the EU "trying to stop Brexit", what a crazy POV. I think they are quite keen for us to just leave and stop the embarrassing side show now. The border is merely a side effect of another terrifyingly simplistic solution being put forward to deal with properly complex issues, none of which the people in charge are interested in dealing with or taking responsibility for. You can't detach yourself from the modern world, of which international trade, interconnectivity and the movement of human beings is such a huge part.

As for your freight from outside the EU point, it really wouldn't surprise me if, like so many Brexiteers, you haven't a clue of the huge amounts of administration that go into making that process work. I work for a company which imports about £30m of goods per year from China and we employ a team specifically to deal with the paperwork, alongside our freight forwarders. We don't need any of that for importing from the EU. But then I know you Tories are big fans of red tape.