Post subject: Re: Is our Commie government losing the plot?
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:22 pm
Dally
International Chairman
Joined: Dec 22 2001 Posts: 14845
cod'ead wrote:In the case of Daimler Benz, I can categorically state that although unit labour costs reduced, that in no way was reflected in a lowering of wages.
That was the case in the 1990s when the "German disease" set in. I believe the more recent reduction has been in large part due to wage restraint.
Post subject: Re: Is our Commie government losing the plot?
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:34 pm
JerryChicken
International Star
Joined: Jul 09 2012 Posts: 3605 Location: Leeds
Ajw71 wrote: If yours was a widespread belief (altough I appreciate it may be in certain areas of the UK) in the UK population she simply wouldn't rank so highly in every poll on the issue. She certainly wouldn't be ranked the 16th best Briton.
Now, I appreciate that you may not like her. Fine, but surely you can see that many people do and consider her one our best PM's?
You really don't get it so there is little point in trying to draw your attention to the irony of your post and the fact that you're almost there, you have almost answered your own question - heres a clue, look at your dodgy evidence and then read the second para (above) again.
But please continue your delusion, the rest of us find it quite amusing - just a kind word of warning though, when she does draw her last breath, don't stand up in any pub tap room anywhere near your house and declare that she deserves a state funeral for I'd hate for your delusions to be shattered in such a violent manner.
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Post subject: Re: Is our Commie government losing the plot?
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:35 pm
Him
International Board Member
Joined: Jun 19 2002 Posts: 14970 Location: Campaigning for a deep attacking line
Dally wrote:That was the case in the 1990s when the "German disease" set in. I believe the more recent reduction has been in large part due to wage restraint.
Then why are German wages and hourly rates higher than ours?
Post subject: Re: Is our Commie government losing the plot?
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:50 pm
Ajw71
Player Coach
Joined: Feb 23 2006 Posts: 1978
JerryChicken wrote:You really don't get it so there is little point in trying to draw your attention to the irony of your post and the fact that you're almost there, you have almost answered your own question - heres a clue, look at your dodgy evidence and then read the second para (above) again.
But please continue your delusion, the rest of us find it quite amusing - just a kind word of warning though, when she does draw her last breath, don't stand up in any pub tap room anywhere near your house and declare that she deserves a state funeral for I'd hate for your delusions to be shattered in such a violent manner.
Yes yes I get it now. Your opinion is correct and that of everyone else is wrong and irrelevant despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Yawn. Move along, nothing to see here.
Post subject: Re: Is our Commie government losing the plot?
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:43 am
Big Graeme
In The Arms of 13 Angels
Joined: Mar 08 2002 Posts: 26578 Location: On the set of NEDS...
Ajw71 wrote:Yes yes I get it now. Your opinion is correct and that of everyone else is wrong and irrelevant despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Yawn. Move along, nothing to see here.
Ah when all else fails there is the good old persecution complex. Your data does not stand up to the scrutiny of a 12 year olds maths lesson.
Post subject: Re: Is our Commie government losing the plot?
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:24 am
Mintball
All Time Great
Joined: May 10 2002 Posts: 47951 Location: Die Metropole
Dally wrote:1. Many Poles, etc stay long-term, work hard in supermarkets, etc and raise a family here. It can be done if you are willing to work and not moan...
Says RLFans' biggest Moaning Minnie.
Dally wrote:2. If people cannot afford places to live then prices and rents will go go down. It's already happening, even in London.
No. It is not.
Dally wrote:3. You have not explained how to avoid cutting disposable income if raw material, food, etc prices rise. Just pay people more? Where will the money come from? It'll just create inflation and lower competitiveness which makes the problem worse. You must remember we are not a self-contained, self-sufficient economy but a nation that needs to trade internationally to sustain itself. My comments about the developing world are not diversionary but the absolute crux of the matter as I have been trying to point out since pre-2008.
You do not avoid cutting disposable income by cutting pay. Cutting pay is utterly counterproductive for the wider economy. And yes – if the cost of living is rising by X%, then you ensure that people's pay rises by that at least. Except to fundamentalist neo-liberals, inflation is not the biggest problem on planet earth. See Ha-Joon Chang on this, for instance.
Dally wrote:4. In work benefits were one of Brown's silly ideas as I recall. An unnecessary complication with the usual unintended consequences so beloved of our inept politicians (*) He should have simply adjusted the tax bandings instead...
It is very, very simple. Companies pay employees a [u]living wage[/url]. You have been told about this more than once. There is growing recognition amongst the likes of KPMG for the business case of doing exactly this. I suspect that, if you haven't remembered this or don't understand it by now, you never will.
Dally wrote:1. Many Poles, etc stay long-term, work hard in supermarkets, etc and raise a family here. It can be done if you are willing to work and not moan...
Says RLFans' biggest Moaning Minnie.
Dally wrote:2. If people cannot afford places to live then prices and rents will go go down. It's already happening, even in London.
No. It is not.
Dally wrote:3. You have not explained how to avoid cutting disposable income if raw material, food, etc prices rise. Just pay people more? Where will the money come from? It'll just create inflation and lower competitiveness which makes the problem worse. You must remember we are not a self-contained, self-sufficient economy but a nation that needs to trade internationally to sustain itself. My comments about the developing world are not diversionary but the absolute crux of the matter as I have been trying to point out since pre-2008.
You do not avoid cutting disposable income by cutting pay. Cutting pay is utterly counterproductive for the wider economy. And yes – if the cost of living is rising by X%, then you ensure that people's pay rises by that at least. Except to fundamentalist neo-liberals, inflation is not the biggest problem on planet earth. See Ha-Joon Chang on this, for instance.
Dally wrote:4. In work benefits were one of Brown's silly ideas as I recall. An unnecessary complication with the usual unintended consequences so beloved of our inept politicians (*) He should have simply adjusted the tax bandings instead...
It is very, very simple. Companies pay employees a [u]living wage[/url]. You have been told about this more than once. There is growing recognition amongst the likes of KPMG for the business case of doing exactly this. I suspect that, if you haven't remembered this or don't understand it by now, you never will.
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Post subject: Re: Is our Commie government losing the plot?
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:26 am
Mintball
All Time Great
Joined: May 10 2002 Posts: 47951 Location: Die Metropole
sanjunien wrote:I bumped into three Albanians in a local french town who had spent some time in Great Yarmouth by coincidence (my birthplace) - when I asked them why they came to France they replied in good english 'England is f*****g terrible, a real dump who would want to live there ?' it's a sad state of affairs when even the asylum seekers want to leave Blighty !!!
We have sacrificed any concept of life lived on the alter of work and buying more things.
"You are working for Satan." Kirkstaller
"Dare to know!" Immanuel Kant
"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive" Elbert Hubbard
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
You do not avoid cutting disposable income by cutting pay. Cutting pay is utterly counterproductive for the wider economy. And yes – if the cost of living is rising by X%, then you ensure that people's pay rises by that at least. Except to fundamentalist neo-liberals, inflation is not the biggest problem on planet earth. See Ha-Joon Chang on this, for instance.
It is very, very simple. Companies pay employees a [u]living wage[/url]. You have been told about this more than once. There is growing recognition amongst the likes of KPMG for the business case of doing exactly this. I suspect that, if you haven't remembered this or don't understand it by now, you never will.
1. Simply pathetic. As to moaning who puts everyone's ills down to the government / big business / Murdoch / the Murdoch Press / "casino" banks / greedy bankers/ etc etc? Never any mention of personal responsibilty. 2. Yes it is. 3/4. Companies cannot just pay more without accompanying increases in productivity. It just doesn't work. We live in a competitive world and if people pay themselves more without producing more then the business and the economy fails. We've seen the real world examples - remember the "British Disease" and more latterly the "German Disease?" See here for the German experience:
You do not avoid cutting disposable income by cutting pay. Cutting pay is utterly counterproductive for the wider economy. And yes – if the cost of living is rising by X%, then you ensure that people's pay rises by that at least. Except to fundamentalist neo-liberals, inflation is not the biggest problem on planet earth. See Ha-Joon Chang on this, for instance.
It is very, very simple. Companies pay employees a [u]living wage[/url]. You have been told about this more than once. There is growing recognition amongst the likes of KPMG for the business case of doing exactly this. I suspect that, if you haven't remembered this or don't understand it by now, you never will.
1. Simply pathetic. As to moaning who puts everyone's ills down to the government / big business / Murdoch / the Murdoch Press / "casino" banks / greedy bankers/ etc etc? Never any mention of personal responsibilty. 2. Yes it is. 3/4. Companies cannot just pay more without accompanying increases in productivity. It just doesn't work. We live in a competitive world and if people pay themselves more without producing more then the business and the economy fails. We've seen the real world examples - remember the "British Disease" and more latterly the "German Disease?" See here for the German experience:
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