Steph Curry wrote:America have killed far more innocent people than any terrorist group have. So who are the real terrorists?

Watched an amazing documentary recently “hunting isis” and they bombed an innocent family killing 18 family members and the remaining family member had to beg them for body bags to bury them all.

America f*** yeah. Can’t wait for the day Russia and China put them in their place

Sal Paradise wrote:Wow - Mao starved 50m of his own people and between Lenin and Stalin they killed another 50m - these are people with whom you have some sympathy!! The numbers of the hard left dwarf anything ever done in the name of the hard right.

Cronus wrote:Perhaps we should just call it quits then, yes?

It's interesting so many are blaming the US for creating an atmosphere of war. What they forget is that in the late 80s during the Iran-Iraq war, Iran was attacking shipping in the Hormuz Straits and had mined the area, almost sinking a US frigate, which led to Operation Praying Mantis and the US decimating Iranian forces in the area. There was a rather more an atmosphere of war in those days - there actually WAS a war, a major war.

You should read the background and details of IR655. While it was a monumental fck-up, it was hardly a snap judgement, trigger-happy moment.

Watching the left has reinforced my opinion of them in the last few days. Whataboutery on an epic level.
Plane goes down: "never an accident, definitely the US."
Questions around suspicious photos: "could be anything and probably planted by the US."
Already geo-located video emerges of the missile strike: "fake, definitely fake, a US fake."
Iran admits shooting it down: "errrm well the US did the same thing 32 years ago so it's still all their fault."

And of course Jeremy Corbyn - friend of Iran as we all know - was still calling it a crash this afternoon.

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:Let us also not forget that it was the Americans who provided weapons to Iraq which they later used in the war against the USA and U.K. etc.

Superblue wrote:You didn’t know of IR655 previously, but at least you had the decency to row back from your preposterous 1-1 suggestion.

Sal Paradise wrote:Wow - Mao starved 50m of his own people and between Lenin and Stalin they killed another 50m - these are people with whom you have some sympathy!! The numbers of the hard left dwarf anything ever done in the name of the hard right.

Superblue wrote:You didn’t know of IR655 previously

Cronus wrote:18? Dreadful, yes. But an accident, in a war zone. Let's remember ISIS killed, tortured and maimed many tens of thousands of innocent civilians, possibly more. And in some utterly horrific ways. For fun, mainly. This isn't whataboutery, this is putting things into perspective.

Perhaps you should find some unfiltered accounts of what ISIS were doing during their heyday. Maybe start with the Yazidis and the explore other accounts of their massacres, what their females endured. And the rest. If every person associated with ISIS was wiped from the face of this planet I wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. The world is a better place without them.

Collateral civilian deaths in war are terrible but inevitable. Try the D-Day landings if you want some shocking numbers.

Superblue wrote:That is so, and makes the Napalm, Chemical Weapons, Cluster Bomb, Atomic Bomb etc atrocities of the USA pale into insignificance .