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| Quote DGM="DGM"You just proved the point I was making really. He's smart & articulate (despite you alluding to him not being), yet the points you raise are superficial, they're commenting about Corbyn's appearance, rather than the substance in what he says and does.
I'm not having a go at you or anyone else for that, it does matter to some people, and it unfortunately matters to a large section of the electorate.
Just on the subject on "rag bags" representing our country - what are your thoughts on Boris as Foreign Secretary?'"
Not gaining Sleaford wont worry Labour or Corbyn but, their 28% rating in current opinion polls would worry any "main" opposition party that is not in power.
We've had 7 ? years of the Tories (albeit 5 years with the Libdems) and during this period we've had the toughest cut backs in the last 80+ years and still Labour are as popular as a fart in a space suit.
They need to wake up and smell the coffee, it's just not funny.
We had the failed coup among the parliamentary party and still Corbyn holds the reigns but, anyone can see that they are further away from winning the next election than ever.
Midn you, the Tories could implode over Europe but, Labour need to change direction or, at least improve their public perception.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"
We've had 7 ? years of the Tories (albeit 5 years with the Libdems) and during this period we've had the toughest cut backs in the last 80+ years and still Labour are as popular as a fart in a space suit.
They need to wake up and smell the coffee, it's just not funny.
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You wanna think yourself lucky. Plenty of us had to endure a fooking witch followed by the grey man for eighteen long years.
We got our own special pr!ck after them.
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| Quote WIZEB="WIZEB"You wanna think yourself lucky. Plenty of us had to endure a fooking witch followed by the grey man for eighteen long years.
We got our own special pr!ck after them.'"
Indeed and unless Labour get their act together, the Tories will get stronger and stronger in England, Wales & N.Ireland, which will give them carte banche to impose whatever they wish and despite May's promises to look after the poorer members in society, we ALL know how that one ends, more and more for the well off, probably some tax cuts as well and screw the rest.
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| The war was lost on a sunny day on a field at Orgreave a long time ago.
It wasn't for want of trying by many of us.
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| Too many Lemmings at Orgreave following king Arthur over the edge
Out thought by those nasty capitalists - now all Arthur argues about is whether he can keep his pad in the Barbican - and you wonder nobody takes socialists seriously!!
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| "The journey of the sun and moon is predictable. But yours, is your ultimate art."
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"Too many Lemmings at Orgreave following king Arthur over the edge
Out thought by those nasty capitalists - now all Arthur argues about is whether he can keep his pad in the Barbican - and you wonder nobody takes socialists seriously!!'"
Nice saving there for Arthur , cost the NUM a fair bit to rent that place for him for all those years too at £ 34 grand a year
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| Quote GUBRATS="GUBRATS"Nice saving there for Arthur , cost the NUM a fair bit to rent that place for him for all those years too at £ 34 grand a year'"
The NUM should have contacted Shirley Porter and seen if she could have got him a nice pad in Westminster instead.
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| Quote WIZEB="WIZEB""The journey of the sun and moon is predictable. But yours, is your ultimate art."'"
You gone a bit Sun Tzu there chief?
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| Quote Sandro II Terrorista="Sandro II Terrorista"You gone a bit Sun Tzu there chief?'"
Just coz we adopted Brunette Coleman doesn't mean we aint entitled to a little diversification, innit guvnor? 
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| Quote WIZEB="WIZEB"The war was lost on a sunny day on a field at Orgreave a long time ago.
It wasn't for want of trying by many of us.'"
That shows a defeatist mentality. Anybody serious would say they lost the battle but will win the war!
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| Yes, Labour is heading for oblivion. That's for the simple reason I have been banging on about for years (pre-Corbyn) - they do not represent anything or anybody. Until they can themselves answer the basic questions of what they stand for and who they wish to represent they will fail. They have already fallen so far it will be a very hard climb back up, which I doubt they will achieve any time soon. The vacuum they have created and are creating will probably be filled by a combination of the far right and some poncey middle of the road party in the short to medium-term.
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