Post subject: Re: We Can Be Heroes, Just For One Day
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:46 am
El Barbudo
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Neil wrote:Ernest Shackleton is one for my list
Good call.
In the explorer category, it's between him and Tom Crean for me.
As well as the absolutely incredible epic journey with Shackleton, on a previous expedition Crean was one of the men who Scott told they wouldn't go to the South Pole and they headed back to base. Crean saved both Evans and Lashley (who were done-in) by walking the last thirty-odd miles alone in thigh-deep snow to the base to get help.
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Post subject: Re: We Can Be Heroes, Just For One Day
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:37 am
sanjunien
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Mintball wrote:That's a really interesting point: I wouldn't think of any of my own 'heroes' in that way either. Which is not to say that I cannot see people as being or having been heroic. So (keeping it away from war), the likes of Armstrong and Gagarin and Tereshkova would be heroic – it must have been bloody brave or foolhardly or a combination of both to get into their respective tin cans with a big bomb beneath them.
But while I'm not uninterested in astronomy and space exploration, they wouldn't make a personal list.
The phrase I've used semi-jokingly in recent years has been 'household gods'.
It's mostly people whose work I admire particularly, possibly feel (hope) is influential – and sometimes who I admire themselves: they're not always all of those things. Mostly cultural or historic figures. Perhaps oddly, I've never tended to really pout sporting figures into my personal pantheon, although there are more than a few. Similarly, there aren't really many pop/rock stars who feature. Many of these have, so to speak, been 'with me', for years.
So to give a flavour, and in absolutely no particular order except as I think of them: Thomas Mann, Günter Grass, Jane Austen, Terry Pratchett, Gabriel García Márquez, Raymond Chandler, Humphrey Bogart, Lauren Bacall, Robert Preston, Katherine Hepburn, Cary Grant, George Gershwin, Daniel Barenboim, Herbert von Karajan, Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Richard Strauss, Johan Strauss II, Gilbert & Sullivan (particularly the former), Otto von Bismarck, Elizabeth David, Raymond Blanc, van Gogh, Jan van Eyck, Stephen Sondheim, Simone de Beauvoir, Elizabeth I, Albert Camus, Ella Fitzgerald, Friedrich Nietzsche, Karl Marx, Frederich der Grosse, Gore Vidal, Stewie Griffin ...
great list MB though somewhat on the heavy side with Nietzche and Marx maybe ? You're obviously a deep thinker and a philosophical soul so try some Shostakovich, Prokofiev & Hindemith et al to challenge and stretch your grey matter a tad more ! My dear old ma in law came into a room a couple of years ago and I was lestening to Shost no.7 (Leningrad) and she, being a lover of 'light' music ie Elaine Page, Michael Boulton & Sinatra etc (and good luck to her) yelled out ' what's that bloody rubbish ?' so I asked her what it sounded like and she replied 'it sounds like an army marching towards a battle' - indeed, it was the German army approaching Leningrad - just how clever was dear old Shost ? not a 'hero' of mine but a person that has my respect..
Post subject: Re: We Can Be Heroes, Just For One Day
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:47 am
Ferocious Aardvark
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This could be a bloody long list! I exclude any historical figures. Just ones I cam across one way or another in my lifetime.
Neil Armstrong would certainly have to be on my personal heroes list, I take the point that all the Apollo crews were objectively pretty much equally heroic but if the point of the thread is who became - for whatever reason - heroes to me then Armstrong it is. What he achieved made a great impression on me, and started off a lifelong interest in astronomy. But I well remember Collins, I remember as a kid thinking what it must be like, so near and yet so far.
Woody Allen. I really get his humour and his take on life.
Jimmy Thompson, Keith Mumby and and Karl Fairbank. When I was a kid watching the Northern, I was just in awe of them. Trevor Foster.
Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and Bob Dylan. They redefined music completely for me, made me realise that they could write and sing about anything, and in a way that resonated.
David Attenborough. Just inspirational.
Coe, Ovett and Cram. Could never wait for the next instalment.
Bobby Moore, Bobby Charlton and Pelé. The epitome of sportsmen. Probably throw in George Best too.
Freddie Trueman, Geoff Boycott and Brian Close. Bishan Bedi and Muralitharan, Merv Hughes and Dennis Lillee, Viv Richards, Clive LLoyd, Michael Holding. Cricket as she should be played.
Great thread this. I could go on for yonks.
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Post subject: Re: We Can Be Heroes, Just For One Day
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:59 am
sanjunien
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Joined: Mar 28 2010 Posts: 5506 Location: Albi, France
JerryChicken wrote:This is going to soound corny, trite, I know, but what the hell...
blimey JC, that's an heroic story but what a choice to have to make ?
my missus' condition is 'terminal' but she still has palliative options to make life 'liveable' but i'm sure the day will come when the options run out...
if you can imagine 1955 (I was I year old) - my dad was diagnosed with a brian tumour about the size of a marble apparently - remember this is 1955 - he was sent to St Barts in London and underwent more tests, the cheif surgeon told him there was no cure and a quick death was certain but, if he wanted to take the risk he could be a guinea pig in research brain surgery techniques, along with 7 other guinea pigs - well, after surviving 4 years in POW camps in Austria & Germany he wasn't afraid so he agreed to have the surgery - basically the surgeon drilled a hole about 1.5 inches into his skull and with some pliers and a blade reached in and cut out the tumour - to get to the tumour he had to cut through several nerves including the nerves serving the right side of his body - my dad survived but was deaf in his right ear and had only 50% use of the rest of the right side so he limped and couldn't see too well with his right eye for example because the nerves serving the muscles wouldn't keep the eye open so he did exercises to keep the muscles as strong as possible - now my dad not only brought up three sons with my mum but also built up a decent business which kept us fed and watered - he used to go to London once yearly for a check up but 30 years after the operation the specialists said he was 'cured' and not to waste their time any longer...he died in 2005 at the age of 86 some 50 years after the 'experimental' operation...now that's what I call a hero !
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