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Post subject: Re: James Murdoch is either a liar or thick as donkey droppi
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:57 pm
EHW
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Joined: Nov 02 2003 Posts: 8627
Dally wrote: If you read the emails, JRM replied within 3 minutes of CM having sent him the email. He's presumably socialising / on the move at the time - he will have read JUST the few lines from CM and so it is, IMO, entirely credible that he did not read the rest. His reply only talks about meeting or CM calling him. Much easier for a quick chat than reading all that guff.
whilst I agree that he probably didnt have time to read the full chain before responding to the meeting request, the content of the email from Myler was provocative enough for Murdoch to enquire what was going on if he didn't know already. By reading the top email and responding he must have known what was going on, or would have made it his business to find out ASAP.
Post subject: Re: James Murdoch is either a liar or thick as donkey droppi
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:23 pm
McLaren_Field
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Joined: Feb 26 2002 Posts: 32466 Location: Leeds
EHW wrote:
Dally wrote: If you read the emails, JRM replied within 3 minutes of CM having sent him the email. He's presumably socialising / on the move at the time - he will have read JUST the few lines from CM and so it is, IMO, entirely credible that he did not read the rest. His reply only talks about meeting or CM calling him. Much easier for a quick chat than reading all that guff.
whilst I agree that he probably didnt have time to read the full chain before responding to the meeting request, the content of the email from Myler was provocative enough for Murdoch to enquire what was going on if he didn't know already. By reading the top email and responding he must have known what was going on, or would have made it his business to find out ASAP.
...and in any case you'd expect the sender to ask again for a proper response to such a serious email, if I sent my boss an email that potentially left the business and directors open to criminal prosecution and he just replied "OK ta" then I'd be covering my own arse and getting him to confirm that he'd actually read it properly.
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Post subject: Re: James Murdoch is either a liar or thick as donkey droppi
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:12 pm
Ferocious Aardvark
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Joined: Feb 17 2002 Posts: 28357 Location: MACS0647-JD
I can't believe we're even having this discussion. The email starts with "Unfortunately, it is as bad as we feared." There is no escaping that. Even if Murdoch bizarrely never read any further than that, what is this "it" which is as bad as "we" "feared"? The copied emails make it crystal clear.
Whether he read the copies at that time or not, is not even the main point, since the question isn't what he read, but what he knew. That sentence screams that the sender is referring to something already well known to the recipient. the mere fact of simply forwarding, without explanation or comment, such nuclear emails, says a thousand words but ask yourselves this:
If Murdoch had no idea of what was as bad as he had feared, what would his natural email response have been? I suggest not "No worries".
For interest, I tried reading the 3 emails, and then typing out Murdoch's response on my Blackberry. I don't know how fast Murdoch can read though i'd imagine his scan reading will be reasonable. I don't know how fast he can type on his Blackberry. But anyway, the whole process took me 2m 40s. So I don't think that the timescale he is talking about means anything.
Indeed, just reading the email and not the forwards, then replying, would take 1 minute not 2 so the timescale is to me a red herring.
And beyond that, let's say he had at the point of replying, for some reason not yet read or digested the full monty. How, given the dire claim "unfortunately, it is as bad as we feared", would he simply not bother reading any further even in a few minutes, or later? Who could resist the urge to know WHAT was as bad as we feared, or WHY it was as bad as we feared?
Final test: pretend you're James Murdoch, and know little or nothing. Then pretend you get that email on your Blackberry. Read it, as if for the first time, and then ask yourself what your reaction/reply would have been, if you really knew nothing about "it".
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Post subject: Re: James Murdoch is either a liar or thick as donkey droppi
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:38 pm
Ferocious Aardvark
International Chairman
Joined: Feb 17 2002 Posts: 28357 Location: MACS0647-JD
Meanwhile back at the ranch (or should I say the High Court) Glenn Mulcaire's case against NGN has started today. He is suing them for breach of contract. Readers may remember that NGN was paying sums of money to Mulcaire (IIRC for no reason at all) until Murdoch's appearance before the Committee, whereupon the payments as soon as made public abruptly stopped. these were, according to Mulcaire, to pay his legal costs, and to indemnify him in regard to any damages awarded against him. As he claims that was the agreement between him and NGN.
"Glenn Mulcaire's case is that the defendant did agree to pay his costs, the agreement is enforceable and the defendant did not have the right to terminate it," his barrister told the court.
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