My paternal grandmother had to have her left leg removed at the knee after developing gangrene in her foot. She was 83 and had been bed-reidden for a year. She slowly deteriorated until eventually dying.
My maternal grandfather was admitted to hospital after complications with a catheter. While in there he developed gangrene. Had the doctor said to my mother that it would be better to give him an overdose she would have agreed straight away. Watching a loved one slowly deteriorate and waste away is one of the worst experiences I have ever suffered. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Every time I visited my grandfather it killed me a little inside. My grandfather was a strong and vibrant man who played sports and worked until suffering a stroke at 81. What was left in that bed was a mumbling wreck of a human being with no spark of life or anything.
We wouldn't treat dogs like that why do we do it with human beings?
Somewhere in the dust of time rest the bones of the Galilean He who was spat upon. He whose face was marred beyond all human likeness Somewhere buried among the lies of the past rests the tomb of Yeshua Of he who was made God in a world without Hope. And when this son of Joseph is found. What then will the Church of Rome say? Prepare yourself for the day is coming. And men will say "Blessed are the wasted lives who perished in the flames of the holy war"
Joined: May 10 2002 Posts: 47951 Location: Die Metropole
Standee wrote:The list is endless Sheldon, I can't think of a single bible basher I'd want to spend eternity with...
To be fair, I doubt Thora and Harry were Bible bashers particularly. The majority of people with a religious belief do keep it primarily as a personal matter. It's only a small number that proselytise and even within that group, it's a smaller number who are quite such unquestioning fundamentalists as Kirkstaller.
There's a colleague I occasionally have a drink with: he's Anglican with Lutheran sympathies. And we have discussed the subject – with mutual respect. I have absolutely no problem with people like him.
And indeed, i increasingly find the subject of religion itself interesting. I've just been reading Mary Beard's Pompeii, and the chapter on religions was almost as fascinating as the one on sex.
But the fundamentalists do exist in all religions, and Christian fundamentalism is growing in the UK, I think. But even some of the fundamentalists I knew when I was growing up have nothing, that I recall, on Kirkstaller.
Standee wrote:... although I've often pondered asking "god" why he put nerves in teeth, and just what wasps are for...
"You are working for Satan." Kirkstaller
"Dare to know!" Immanuel Kant
"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive" Elbert Hubbard
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
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If only kirkstaller had lived in the vicinity....I'm sure he wouldn't have minded popping round to give us a hand with dressing her bedsores and mopping up her anal and vaginal liquid leakages! That way she may have lasted for another couple of months, died a natural death, and sailed off on a fluffy cloud to meet kirkstaller's maker? Damn!!!
any thread exposing a fundamentalist nutjob for being what they are is welcome as far as I am concerned, you can agree and disagree about politics etc. but nobody can (reasonably) deny that kirkstaller is an abhorrent human being.
Joined: Feb 17 2002 Posts: 28357 Location: MACS0647-JD
Standee wrote:... But then I wouldn't, as an omnipresent and benevolent god, have raped a woman, forced her to birth in a stable, ...
Did he, though? Wasn't the Bible quite clear that the messiah would be of David's line (as seemingly Joseph was)? So, either Joe was the daddy, in which case the Holy Ghost is innocent and we never had a son of god, or he is guilty, in which case Jesus was not of the line of David.
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Joined: Oct 19 2003 Posts: 17898 Location: Packed like sardines, in a tin
Ferocious Aardvark wrote:Did he, though? Wasn't the Bible quite clear that the messiah would be of David's line (as seemingly Joseph was)? So, either Joe was the daddy, in which case the Holy Ghost is innocent and we never had a son of god, or he is guilty, in which case Jesus was not of the line of David.
Standee wrote:any thread exposing a fundamentalist nutjob for being what they are is welcome as far as I am concerned, you can agree and disagree about politics etc. but nobody can (reasonably) deny that kirkstaller is an abhorrent human being.
i don't disagree but i think the point has been established.
Joined: May 25 2002 Posts: 37704 Location: Zummerzet, where the zoider apples grow
One quote I found this morning:
Which firefighter do you think will do a better job?
1) The atheist who knows if he fails to rescue the baby, that’s it for that child.
2) The Christian who imagines if he lets the baby die, it will soon be in Jesus’s crowded arms. The pain and trauma will be erased allowing the child to enjoy a heavenly existence considerably better than it would have enjoyed on earth.
Which firefighter do you think will do a better job?
1) The atheist who knows if he fails to rescue the baby, that’s it for that child.
2) The Christian who imagines if he lets the baby die, it will soon be in Jesus’s crowded arms. The pain and trauma will be erased allowing the child to enjoy a heavenly existence considerably better than it would have enjoyed on earth.
Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan
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